Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Frank
wikipedia page about the chicago outfit says that "The Outfit's membership is moderately estimated to be between 50-200 "made" members comprising a core group with more than 1,000 associates estimated".Is this totally wrong?what's the difference between a "made man" and an "associate"??

p.s. sorry if my english is not good but i'm italian....


Wikipedia is often one of the worst sources for information on organized crime. Anyone can just come and make up whatever they want. Sometimes Wiki articles are useful if they cite sources and have working links to them. But otherwise don't bother.


Defintely. Wikipedia is really "the last source" you should consider.

Apparantly, wikipedians, as they are called, aren't really interested in organized crime. That's why they usually don't have their "watchdogs" overseeing those articles.

Just try and read some of those articles about crime families. You will find a lot of bad grammar and unreliable or outdated sources.


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