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Vito and his capos...distrust?
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10/27/10 11:30 PM
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Did Vito not fully trust Tessio and Clemenza? When they first started out, he split them off, one in the Bronx and one in Manhattan.
And if they were old school friends, why would he mandate to them not to see each other through the years?
"Now, that plane goes to Miami." "That's right. That's where I want it met."
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
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10/28/10 11:54 AM
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And if they were old school friends, why would he mandate to them not to see each other through the years? Clemenza went to C.U.N.Y and Tessio went to Harvard. Tessio was always smarter.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
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As the novel states, Vito split them off to reduce their opportunity to plot against him. Since Tessio was smarter (and a Harvard graduate), he caught Vito's drift right away. Clemenza's only concern was with the availability of restaurants in the Bronx. Also, the novel states two other reasons: First, Clemenza was more impetuous than Tessio, and needed to be kept on a tighter leash. That's why Clem lived at the Mall, but Tess didn't. Second, it was to Vito's advantage that his foes think that Tessio's distance meant that Tess was some kind of independent operator, the better to have the foes underestimate Vito.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
[Re: Danito]
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11/02/10 12:38 PM
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In GF2 it seemed that young Clemenza at first underestimated Vito, perhaps because Vito was just a neighbor who had done him a favor (hiding the guns). In the spaghetti scene he seemed more skeptical than Tessio. However, later he's pretty humble, for example in the deleted scene where he introduces young Hyman Roth. Yes, the turnaround was remarkable. In an earlier deleted scene, following the dress factory robbery, Clem was still lording it over Vito--barking orders about where to make deliveries, making him wait while he did the job on one of his female prospects. But in the scene you cited (after Fanucci's murder), Clem's atttitude turned around completely. Nice touch: he takes off his hat in Vito's presence.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
[Re: Turnbull]
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11/03/10 10:42 AM
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What I like about Clem and Tess at that point was that they were smart enough to recognize Vito as their superior and go along with his leadership, instead of resenting him and working against him. That took practical smarts. It was also a matter of pragmatism. Everyone was under Fanucci's thimb, and then Vito defeated Fanucci. It was clearly in their best interests to be aligned with him.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
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I love the dynamics of that scene.
While it's obviously the first time we see a hint of what Vito would become, you also see the differences between Tessio and Clemenza, and that Tessio was always smarter.
Tessio is the first one to mention the idea of not paying Fanucci.
Clemenza isn't inclined to listen to Vito at all, and tries to dominate the conversation with his ideas, while (other than saying that someone else must be collecting for Maranzalla) Tessio says nothing at all.
He clearly is considering what Vito has to say, and immediately agrees once the plan is laid out.
Clemenza pouts and then reluctantly toasts, either upset that he's being usurped or lacking the vision to see that Vito has the intelligence and force of will to make his plan work.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
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What I like about Clem and Tess at that point was that they were smart enough to recognize Vito as their superior and go along with his leadership, instead of resenting him and working against him. That took practical smarts. It was also a matter of pragmatism. Everyone was under Fanucci's thimb, and then Vito defeated Fanucci. It was clearly in their best interests to be aligned with him. But most importantly: the also liked Vito.
"It was between the brothers Kay -- I had nothing to do with it."
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Re: Vito and his capos...distrust?
[Re: Turnbull]
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11/04/10 01:40 PM
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But most importantly: the also liked Vito. Yes, but at the end of GF, Tessio, turned traitor, said: "Tell Mike it was business. I always liked him." I think Clemnza liked Vito but I am not so sure about Tessio. Clemenza was an extrovert who enjoyed his food, his wine, his dancing and his wife and kids. Tessio, the smarter one was purely a businessman looking out for his own best interests. As soon as he thought the takeover by Michael was a done deal, he figured the Corleones would be toast and he turned traitor. I don't think that thought ever crossed Clemenza's mind.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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