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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: thebarber] #590544
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A soldier with influence could propose for membership. There are plenty of examples.


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: thebarber] #590552
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Originally Posted By: thebarber

can a soldier propose a associate for membership or does it have 2 come from a capo?


Soldiers can propose members but generally they would have to go on record with their captain, who in turn goes on record with the boss regarding the potential new member.


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Ludovico] #592784
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what would b a fair estimate for income for a newly made guy? ? i know it can vary alot but is it safe to assume once you get your button you are bringing home a six figure income ??

Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Ludovico] #592793
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Joseph "Little Joe" DeFede (born 1934) was a New York City mobster and former acting boss of the Lucchese crime family who eventually turned informant.

While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year.


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Dapper_Don] #592801
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Joseph "Little Joe" DeFede (born 1934) was a New York City mobster and former acting boss of the Lucchese crime family who eventually turned informant.

While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year.


You do know why he flipped? This guy was full of it and that guy was an earner! He had real estate, beautiful cars, a nice house. Trust me, he made a lot more than he said he did. The feds suspected it and his own crime family most certainly did. When DeFede got indicted, Crea was put in his place and as soon as that happened, Amuso started getting real money again. This is how they all started to suspect him of ripping off the family and we all know what happened next. He flipped. He knew he was finished. This is the last guy I'd use to get information of this nature.


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: thebarber] #592804
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Originally Posted By: thebarber

what would b a fair estimate for income for a newly made guy? ? i know it can vary alot but is it safe to assume once you get your button you are bringing home a six figure income ??


Getting made doesn't necessarily change your income. At least not right away. Since it's not like the family is paying an associate a wage, he doesn't exactly get a raise after he gets his button. Many guys get made because they are already good earners. Unlike legitimate companies that pay their employees further down the ladder, money in the mob goes up. So, often it's the other way around. You'll be kicking up more money once you're made and under a specific captain. But the idea is being made gives you more prestige, which can provide for more opportunities and help your earning power down the road. While you have some on both ends of the financial spectrum - both multimillionaires and brokesters - most mob guys on average are more or less middle class.


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: VinnyGorgeous] #592808
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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Joseph "Little Joe" DeFede (born 1934) was a New York City mobster and former acting boss of the Lucchese crime family who eventually turned informant.

While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year.


You do know why he flipped? This guy was full of it and that guy was an earner! He had real estate, beautiful cars, a nice house. Trust me, he made a lot more than he said he did. The feds suspected it and his own crime family most certainly did. When DeFede got indicted, Crea was put in his place and as soon as that happened, Amuso started getting real money again. This is how they all started to suspect him of ripping off the family and we all know what happened next. He flipped. He knew he was finished. This is the last guy I'd use to get information of this nature.


In his early days, he operated a hot dog vendor truck in Coney Island, Brooklyn, running numbers on the side. A close friend and handball partner of Lucchese leader Vittorio "Vic" Amuso, DeFede was inducted into the family in 1986 after Amuso became boss. DeFede's rise and fall in the New York mob can all be attributed to Amuso. He drove a Cadillac and owned three horses that he kept in stables at the Aqueduct Racetrack. He was married twice, and is currently wed to his second wife Nancy who entered the Witness Protection Program with him. The two survive of off an annual income of $30,000 a year, a modest anuity from the U.S. Marshals and his wife Nancy's pension from working at a bank for over twenty years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02mafia.html


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Dapper_Don] #592810
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Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Joseph "Little Joe" DeFede (born 1934) was a New York City mobster and former acting boss of the Lucchese crime family who eventually turned informant.

While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year.


You do know why he flipped? This guy was full of it and that guy was an earner! He had real estate, beautiful cars, a nice house. Trust me, he made a lot more than he said he did. The feds suspected it and his own crime family most certainly did. When DeFede got indicted, Crea was put in his place and as soon as that happened, Amuso started getting real money again. This is how they all started to suspect him of ripping off the family and we all know what happened next. He flipped. He knew he was finished. This is the last guy I'd use to get information of this nature.


In his early days, he operated a hot dog vendor truck in Coney Island, Brooklyn, running numbers on the side. A close friend and handball partner of Lucchese leader Vittorio "Vic" Amuso, DeFede was inducted into the family in 1986 after Amuso became boss. DeFede's rise and fall in the New York mob can all be attributed to Amuso. He drove a Cadillac and owned three horses that he kept in stables at the Aqueduct Racetrack. He was married twice, and is currently wed to his second wife Nancy who entered the Witness Protection Program with him. The two survive of off an annual income of $30,000 a year, a modest anuity from the U.S. Marshals and his wife Nancy's pension from working at a bank for over twenty years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02mafia.html


What is your point? You do know why he flipped?


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: VinnyGorgeous] #592811
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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Joseph "Little Joe" DeFede (born 1934) was a New York City mobster and former acting boss of the Lucchese crime family who eventually turned informant.

While testifying against Gambino crime family boss Peter Gotti, DeFede exclaimed that all he made during his reign as acting boss was $1,014,000, or approximately $250,000 per year. DeFede also estimated that a low ranking family soldier would make on average $50,000 per year.


You do know why he flipped? This guy was full of it and that guy was an earner! He had real estate, beautiful cars, a nice house. Trust me, he made a lot more than he said he did. The feds suspected it and his own crime family most certainly did. When DeFede got indicted, Crea was put in his place and as soon as that happened, Amuso started getting real money again. This is how they all started to suspect him of ripping off the family and we all know what happened next. He flipped. He knew he was finished. This is the last guy I'd use to get information of this nature.


In his early days, he operated a hot dog vendor truck in Coney Island, Brooklyn, running numbers on the side. A close friend and handball partner of Lucchese leader Vittorio "Vic" Amuso, DeFede was inducted into the family in 1986 after Amuso became boss. DeFede's rise and fall in the New York mob can all be attributed to Amuso. He drove a Cadillac and owned three horses that he kept in stables at the Aqueduct Racetrack. He was married twice, and is currently wed to his second wife Nancy who entered the Witness Protection Program with him. The two survive of off an annual income of $30,000 a year, a modest anuity from the U.S. Marshals and his wife Nancy's pension from working at a bank for over twenty years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02mafia.html


What is your point? You do know why he flipped?


obcourse I know he heard/suspected he was going to get whacked out by the family for skimming

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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Ludovico] #592819
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Ivy thanks for the info. I was under assumption that when you get your button you are usually handed a racket to run which shud boost yur income. Example being the sopranos when cristopher gets made Paulie gives him the sports gambling operation. The 50 k per year estimate giving by defede is definitely BS.

Re: The Made man ritual [Re: IvyLeague] #703563
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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
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Some families don't use any "making" ritual. Fat Vinny Teresa, in his book, "My Life in the Mafia," said that in the Raymond Patriarca family, "they just called you to the Office and told you you was made."


Not sure what to make of that. You'll recall that, in 1989, the FBI was successful in recording a making ceremony involving the Patriarca family.

As far as I'm aware, only the Chicago Outfit supposedly didn't use a traditional initiation ceremony but even that was in the earlier years. Decades later, they were also said to be going through the same ceremony with the drawn blood, burning saint card, etc.


Do you know where I can find this recording?


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: furio_from_naples] #703582
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Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
...the patron saint of the family...the crime family's patron saint...a holy card with the image of the Patriarca family saint...

What now, each OC family has their own saint? Get outta here...

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
The cumpare is selected through an Italian finger-throwing game...


...Italian finger-throwing game?...which finger?


N..... or no, bastard had balls, shame to kill him...
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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Viceguy] #703585
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Check out the Italian Finger throwing game or Morra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morra_(game)

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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Turnbull] #703598
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Some families don't use any "making" ritual. Fat Vinny Teresa, in his book, "My Life in the Mafia," said that in the Raymond Patriarca family, "they just called you to the Office and told you you was made."


I'm calling BS on this, no way the old man would do something like this especially with his ties to NY and the fact that they recorded a full blown ceremony just 5 years after his death..


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Re: The Made man ritual [Re: Ludovico] #703620
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Vinny Teresa was never a made guy. Maybe the old man told him that to keep him close. I agree with azguy

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