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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: pizzaboy]
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10/06/10 12:49 PM
10/06/10 12:49 PM
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Turnbull
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That is an awful story. Newark NJ and some other cities now tell crime victims that, unless the crime was violent, they simply report it online, with no further action. Newark also stopped paying for gas for city vehicles other than police and fire. Colorado Springs charges residents of some neighborhoods $75 annually to turn on streetlights.
Here in rural AZ, homeowners are required to create "defensible space" around their homes in case of wildfires, which occur frequently. If you let your property grow wild, so that there's no ingress or egress for firefighters, they aren't obligated to fight a fire in your home or on your property. On the other hand, the fire department will, for only $100, clear out your property to comply with the requirement--the real cost is subsidized by the state.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: olivant]
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10/06/10 05:03 PM
10/06/10 05:03 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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They had this guy on MSNBC the other day. He said he offered to pay the $75 (yes, after the fact). He said he has a job. He said he forgot to pay. Is any of that really important? So, charge him, garnish his wages to have him pay, charge him a penalty but for God's sake, don't just watch the guy's house burn down. I heard earlier today the the fireman only got involved when some of the neighbors complained that the fire was getting close to their homes. TIS
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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10/06/10 05:11 PM
10/06/10 05:11 PM
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I remember reading once that when your neighbor's house is on fire, you don't negotiate with him over the price of your garden hose. What is wrong with people, that they would let this happen? There is something called human kindness. Very good point. I don't understand the firefighters just standing by and watching.... according to them they were doing their job .... how can they look themselves in a mirror? How can they ever look at the faces of the people whose house burned down?
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: Turnbull]
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10/06/10 05:16 PM
10/06/10 05:16 PM
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Newark NJ and some other cities now tell crime victims that, unless the crime was violent, they simply report it online, with no further action.
Wow, that's incredible! I can't believe that that would occur some where in the united states!
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: fathersson]
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10/06/10 05:29 PM
10/06/10 05:29 PM
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You know, I think that it was a tailer. I bet it didn't take long to go up in flames. What's a "tailer"? The Fire Department didn't even respond to the call of the house burning. They only responded when a neighbor called and was worried that the flames might spread to his property (and he had paid his firefighters fee).
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: goombah]
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10/06/10 05:34 PM
10/06/10 05:34 PM
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pizzaboy
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I'm sure some of the firefighters were conflict by standing by watching a house burn to the ground. Yet if they had helped, then their jobs might have been in jeopardy. All I can think of is watching all of the out of town firemen coming into the city in droves back on 9/11. Do you think they checked their contracts first? Conflicted isn't good enough. These guys are supposed to be heroes. They take an oath (albeit a different one) just like cops do. There's no excuse. This was a selfish and disgusting act on their part. I hope that firemen around the globe speak out against this.
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Re: Firefighters let home burn; owner didn't pay fee
[Re: SC]
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10/07/10 08:58 AM
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The Fire Department didn't even respond to the call of the house burning. They only responded when a neighbor called and was worried that the flames might spread to his property (and he had paid his firefighters fee).
I'm not defending the inaction of the Fire Dept, but this is what I heard. The homeowner called 911 more than once. They told him that they would not be coming because they had access to his records to verify that the $75 was not paid. But like Mig pointed out, what if this podunk town's computers went down - how would they have checked? Many of us out there (I include myself) want smaller government. This situation was a direct result of the drawbacks of smaller government. If this does turn into a lawsuit, I think the homeowner would have a difficult time winning the case. Like it or not, the city offered him the opportunity for service. Regardless of whether he forgot or was upset to have to pay, he did not make payment for the service. For the homeowner to demonstrate that he had no fault in this will be tricky. He cannot say that a legal contract was broken because offer/acceptance/consideration were present. The nonpayment of the fee was the homeowner's right to decline the offer of service from the city. Had he paid the $75 and the Fire Dept not tried to put out the fire, then the homeowner would most assuredly have a strong case.
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