Another thing I've noticed is their "Brand loyalty" to the point of stupidity. I currently ride a Kawasaki vulcan nomad,among other bikes, and some of these guys cop an attitude, until I tell them I've got a quarter million quality miles on two wheels. I've ridden the top 20 "best motorcycle roads in America" according to motorcyclist magazine. But anyway, I remember a quote from Sonny Barger himself, saying that if they had ridden the jap bikes early on, they'd of spent less time wrenching, and more time riding. I'm not trying to toot my own horn either, but living in the snow belt really limits riding opportunity.