Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Until about 15 years ago, Times Square was the epitome of tawdriness and sleaze, a place of XXX movies, ripoff souvenir shops, abominable restaurants, flea circuses, etc. Disney bought up a lot of properties, and with the city's help, transformed it. But, if you find it hyperreal, Mick, you will probably go into complete shock at Las Vegas, which makes Times Square look like a kiddy playground.
My best friend, with whom I travelled, has also been to the west coast, recently; this was his second time in NYC, and he said that San Francisco is now his favourite city - and in comparison to NYC, it gave him the impression he was seeing 'America'. 'New York' is a concept within itself.

He also noted that Times Square was similar to Las Vegas; there really isn't very much to 'do' there other than 'doing nothing': seeing, looking, becoming overawed by your own awe, experiencing your own experience. It also comes alive at night.

(More on hyperreality here. Read Baudrillard in particular, and his essay on Disneyland.)

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BTW: When we visited London in 1998, we were struck by two differences with NY (and most US cities): Everyone smoked, and the air quality was abysmal. Did you notice any differences in NYC?
I never visited London before our smoking ban. In all enclosed public places, smoking is now illegal in the UK. As for the air in general, it's difficult to make a comparison: NYC was so humid when I was there, very stifling, though to me personally never overwhelmingly so. I think London is less naturally humid, but more crammed with people. It's a busier city, somehow; and physically, less navigable, less simple in its structure; no grid system, more chaos. London is sprawling.

I should also note that, in central Manhattan, the streets are very clean. There must be a lot of waste, but to where it goes is unknown; the streets themselves are spotless. Or it might be a case of the architecture making you look up more than you look down; I could have been stepping in anything. tongue


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