well hopefully they dont go to joe...dont know why or how that would happen, but yea

From what I heard today, Joe & Katherine live apart but are sill married. I think they live in different states, but I could be wrong.



TIS

yea joe lives in las vegas, nevada and kathleen i think lives los angleas

That's right. Some how that just fits him doesn't it? Following the money, or trying to hit the bigtime or whatever. That guy rubs me the wrong way.


TIS

that guy rubs everybody the wrong way...no wonder why he is friends with jesse jackson and al sharpton

The Ed Show? Man that guy has a great face for radio. He could wipe out all the gains MSNBC has made.

We had the Memorial on over here as well. I thought the young lad from Britains got Talent sang well. A great stage for him to perform!

I didn't know that MJ's parents lived apart. Can't say I blame her.

I heard that Rowe gave up rights to the kids but got the rights back. It will be interesting to see how this soap opera plays out in the coming weeks.

Mariah Carey sounded awful. And "We Are The World," while a nice idea, just made me wish it was 1985 again and the original vocalists were singing it.

Brooke Shields was very moving. She was obviously very close to MJ, because she's not a good enough actress to fake the performance she gave yesterday.

I'll bet it just killed Sharpton that a white woman made such a moving speech. Hey, I'm pretty liberal, I'm just sayin' . . . Sharpton's an asshole.

Mariah did sound horrible. It's a shame because when she covered that song in the 90's it was a very good remake.

Ever since she abondoned the "pop" sound that made her famous and trying to be a soul singer, she can't reach a high not to save her soul. She just whispers and breathes now. She is nowhere near the singer she used to be.

I thought I was the only one who that her performance sucked. I didn't like her hand movements either.

I enjoyed the send off.

OK...OK... I'm a sappy guy who is a pushover for a crying kid.

I got pretty emotional watching MJ's daughter as she said goodbye to her dad. To her dad. It was a glass of cold water in my face - I still think he was a sicko but I realize now that he leaves behind three kids (who obviously loved him).

I feel badly for them.

yeah, that bit was pretty sad...even I was like "geezuz...poor kid"

She can't help that her dad was a sick tortured soul. I'm sure she loved her Daddy and will miss him.

Ok, just because someone had nothing better to do. Here are links between MJ and the #7. I guess it wasn't his lucky number.

-- Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
-- Michael Jackson's memorial was on 7/7/09 ... exactly 7 years after
the will was signed.
-- Michael Jackson's two biggest hits -- "Black & White" and "Billie
Jean" -- were each #1 for 7 weeks.
-- Michael Jackson's three biggest albums -- "Thriller," "Bad" and
"Dangerous" -- each produced 7 top 40 hits.
-- Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children. (Although techniccally there were 10 kids counting brandon who was stillborn).
-- Michael Jackson was born in 1958 ... 19 + 58 = 77
-- Michael Jackson died on the 25th ... 2 + 5 = 7
-- Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name

People with an IQ of 7 believe in this shit.

An e-mail I received from my sister:



If you hear a "loud rumble" tonight in the sky, don't worry.

It's not thunder.

It's Elvis beating the shit out of Michael Jackson...

...for marrying his daughter.

TIS

Now that's a good one....

Somehow I don't think that rumble would be coming from the sky ... maybe from deep down in the earth.

I hear you.

Like I said in the "grave-digging" thread, there certainly should be a special place in hell for grave/body desecration and child molestation, both totally vile, horrifying and unforgiveable. I know I know, we shouldn't judge BUT it sure is easy to do in these cases.


TIS

Joe Jackson suspects foul play

This paragraph is at the end of the article:

"He said Michael's daughter, Paris, who spoke at the Tuesday memorial service, was taking the death hard and was crying whenever Michael's name is mentioned. He said that she might have a future in the entertainment business along with the youngest son, nicknamed Blanket, who "can really dance."

Not only did he fuck with his kids lives now he wants to fuck with his Grandkids lives as well. The dirtbag.

he will be dead in a year anyway...

OMG!! The guy is a media hound. He cares only about advancing himself? I think he suspects foul play (and I don't necessarily disagree that it "could" be), ONLY because he loves the limelight. The guy is despicable.

I can see him trying to butt into those kids lives. I never saw the entire movie, but they've showed a film calle, The Jacksons - an American.....something, and if that is accurate, Joe was, at every turn trying to make a buck. And while I'm venting at this POS, it's my opinion that he is one of those itching for a second memorial (they are talking about it) with Joe's intention to make money.

TIS

Oh, and while I'm at it. I hope the best for the kids and don't claim to have the answer, BUT I do have reservations about them going to any of the Jackson family. They may not all be like Joe, but, they all were raised in an abusive home, without the mother trying to take them from it. My guess is they all have emotional issues themselves. I don't know.

P.S. If we suddenly hear Paris is cutting an album, we'll know who's behind it won't we?

TIS

The Jacksons: An American Dream is the nname of the movie. He was a mean SOB in the movie. If they didn't dance right or sing right they got the shit beat out of them.

A second memorial?? When are they gonna bury him and let him rest?

i think they got alot of the info for the tv mini series from michaels autobiography, and other stuff as well.

o yea about that mini series at the beginning they showed a teen joe jackson...well if i remember right jermone (or tito) jackson played as the teen joe jackson.

I feel sorry for the kids whoever gets custody of them.

Good article, good perspective, on his memorial:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/jack-j08.shtml

The Michael Jackson memorial: A mostly tawdry affair
By David Walsh
8 July 2009

Given the circumstances surrounding Michael Jackson’s memorial held in Los Angeles Tuesday morning—the singer’s immense celebrity and notoriety, the self-serving aims and motives of some of the participants, the generally circus-like atmosphere created by the media—how could the service not have been a bizarre, and, sadly, often tawdry, affair?

A collection of performers, preachers and politicians entertained or addressed a crowd of some 20,000 people in the Staples Center for slightly more than two hours. The overall tone of the event, streamed live over the Internet by numerous outlets and watched by a large global audience, was sentimental, religious and oriented to a version of identity politics.

The singers, who performed renditions of Jackson’s songs or his favorites by others, included Mariah Carey, Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder, Jennifer Hudson, Jermaine Jackson (one of Michael’s brothers) and Usher. Tributes were offered by actresses Queen Latifah and Brooke Shields, Motown records founder Berry Gordy, basketball stars Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson, and Motown singing legend Smokey Robinson. Robinson also read out messages from singer Diana Ross and South African leader Nelson Mandela.

The central political themes were heavy-handedly delivered by an official delegation of African-American politicians and personalities: Texas Democratic Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, Martin Luther King III and his sister, Bernice King, and, offering the main eulogy, the Rev. Al Sharpton. Their collective remarks constituted a transparent effort to shore up the Democratic Party, its minority wing in particular, and transform the funeral service into something of a rally for Barack Obama.

Jackson’s death, at the age of 50, on June 25 had an undoubted impact on a great many people around the world. He was, for a combination of reasons, one of the best known personalities on earth. The entertainment and tabloid media, which hounded and derided Jackson in life, has bestowed on him—in death—nearly divine status.

This speaks to their manipulative and corrupt character, and has little to do with the singer. An immensely gifted performer, with a deeply troubled and reclusive personality, Jackson, because he was so genuinely unknown to the public, now invitingly offers something of a blank slate on which various social elements are attempting to inscribe their agendas.

The artistic and social claims being made on his behalf—they reached something of a crescendo in the emotional, hothouse atmosphere of the Staples Center (“the greatest entertainer on earth,” “the healer of the world”)—are simply false. And this falsity largely extended over and dominated the affair. Genuine and spontaneous moments were few and far between. In regard to his family members and friends, this is perhaps understandable. In some cases, however, the tributes were dishonest and politically motivated.

Any quasi-objective assessment of Jackson’s life, his strengths and weaknesses as an artist and a human being, was out of the question.

Queen Latifah sounded a note that would be repeated often during the event, observing that Jackson had opened doors for other African-American performers like herself. “Michael was the biggest star on earth,” she told the crowd. “He let me know that as an African-American, you could travel the world—there was a world outside of America, other people.”

Motown’s Berry Gordy, whose concerns, one imagines, are always bound up with ongoing commercial interests, concluded his remarks with the following: “The more I think about Michael Jackson, the more I think ‘The King of Pop’ is not big enough for him. I think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived.” Such exaggerated claims simply do Jackson a disservice.

Al Sharpton asserted that Jackson’s “dream... had changed culture all over the world.” The singer, Sharpton declared proudly, had prepared the way for television personality Oprah Winfrey and golfer Tiger Woods. Moreover, the comfort level Jackson created among a multi-cultural audience of young people led them “to being 40-year-olds [who were] comfortable to vote for a person of color as president of the United States.”

Martin Luther King’s daughter, Bernice, a conservative fundamentalist minister, who has been active in anti-gay work, told the audience that “it is only God’s love that will sustain you and move you to a higher ground, far above the noise of life.”

Rep. Lee from Texas held up a framed document, which, she explained, was “a resolution, to be debated on the floor of the House, that claims Michael Jackson as an American legend, a musical icon, and a world humanitarian.”

All of this had a political purpose—to paint America as a land of opportunity, even for the most oppressed, to promote the Obama administration, and, bound up with that, to divert attention from the devastating social crisis. The state of California is essentially bankrupt, and the city of Los Angeles was obliged to create a special web site to solicit funds to pay for the costs associated with the Jackson memorial service.

Whether the event had the desired effect on popular consciousness is questionable. The effort to recreate the real or exaggerated hysteria that surrounded the death of Princess Diana in Britain in 1997 seems destined to fall flat. There is no doubt a certain amorphous and not entirely healthy fascination about Jackson’s life and fate, but it hardly goes farther than that for the vast majority.

Predictions of a crowd of 250,000 people or more showing up around the arena where the memorial was held failed to materialize. The New York Times reported that aside from journalists “and those with tickets to the memorial service, the crowd around the perimeter of the Staples Center numbered only about 1,000,” according to Los Angeles Deputy Police Chief Sergio Diaz.

“We asked people not to come out and just be on the street and spectate from a distance, and it seems to have worked,” Diaz said. That large numbers of people did not risk the inconvenience of terrible Los Angeles traffic to be near the event speaks to their somewhat diminished level of commitment and obsession.

Other, more practical and mundane questions—jobs, health care, education, recession—are likely to be uppermost in a great many minds.

Brilliant!!