One other thing PizzaBoy.. You should never assme a girl is a whore simply because of who she chooses to date. Also to some extent I agree with you that some not all of women who date these types of men might have low self esteem. I say not all because I , too grew up among these folks and I have seen some pretty well educated, intelligent, successful women love these men. You should not pass judgement on these types of men or women either. For they too are human and love just like the rest of humans. You seem like an extremely smart man. So I'm assuming you too post on these ridiculous boards out of sheer amusement and not because you have fantasies about being one of these men! The truth is the "boys" on these boards all secretly wish they were one of these men. Hence why they waste so much of their time on here discussing topics regarding them.