Ha, sorry. I was just jumping ahead because it's a tired, old argument that keeps popping up. "It's just a movie, deal with it". If that's the case, if we were to remove th author from any work, we could find enjoyment in pretty much anything; but we'd be ignoring its insidiousness.

It's a clear case of "dumbing down" for the sake of enjoying a movie. That we need to dumb down to enjoy the film is sign enough of its pretentiousness (because if we were to watch it in all seriousness, it'd reveal itself as utter shite).

For the record, I never felt the need to dumb down for the Burton films. I like Batman, a lot; I just don't see the need in making it more "adult" - which, in essence, is an impossibility.

("Why is it an impossibility? Because you said so?" LMFAO.)

Opium, opiate; it's been translated as both. (I don't speak German.)

'Nuff said on that, though. I wouldn't want to get into semantic pedantry.