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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Longneck] #513280
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Originally Posted By: Longneck
Biden did well at countering Palin's "Obama voted to ..." with "McCain voted for it too because it...." a few different times. That was big to me that she tried to distort the facts and Biden constantly caught her and put everything into context.

She did better than expected but that doesn't say much about the public opinion of her, does it?



If the CNN polling is any indication, and its not necessarily...

Is Palin Qualified to be VP?

Before Debate
Yes: 42
No: 54

After Debate
Yes: 46
No: 53

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Alright, most CNN viewers usually are Democrat-leaning, so basically she didn't get much traction with them. No surprise at all.

No, I wanna see the ABC/CBS/NBC polls on this one.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #513281
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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Matey, ever heard of the term token?


Yeah, like how Barry is a token "half-black" candidate?


Who's Barry?


Barry Bonds? Nah he's full-black man.


I think he's talking about Barry HUSSEIN Obama.




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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #513282
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Fox News text Poll.... drum roll please.....

Palin-86%
Biden-12%

lol

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513283
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fox News text Poll.... drum roll please.....

Palin-86%
Biden-12%

lol


Is that anymore funny than you continually quoting liberal/left leaning polls and articles?


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513284
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Fell free to post any right leaning polls that show some different results.
Shit, or get off the pot.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513285
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Well yea, considering all the the other polls coming in, you gotta admit, Fox is a little slanted. lol


Btw, Barry is actually a nickname for Obama (maybe from childhood). I find it's used sarcastically for some reason by a lot of rightwing bloggers who like to tread on leftwing blogs. I actually think it's kind of a nice nickname. ohwell

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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513286
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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fell free to post any right leaning polls that show some different results.
Shit, or get off the pot.


I guess that I'll get off the pot. Go Mets! lol


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513287
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Fair enough. wink

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513289
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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
Fell free to post any right leaning polls that show some different results.
Shit, or get off the pot.


I guess that I'll get off the pot. Go Mets! lol


As I said before, the CNN/FOX NEWS polls are no surprise.

Agree?

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #513290
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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513291
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What's gonna matter is the next two debates. Now is the time for the "Maverick" rolleyes to pull out his trump card if he expects to win.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #513294
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Foxnews.com Poll:
http://elections.foxnews.com/

95,000+ votes
Biden 60%
Palin 40%


How did that happen? lol

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513295
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I'm not doubting that at this point Obama is the clear front runner. It's when he's actually in office that I'm worried .


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513300
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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
But to get back to my question, do you agree that if Governor Palin was elected that it would be a major step backward for women?


I answered your question to the best of my ability - I think that it would be a step backward for ALL Americans. I believe that the current Republican candidate and his running mate would simply be a continuation of the failed policies of the current administration. In all good conscience, I can't vote for anyone will is not committed to ending what I feel is an unjust war. I can't vote for someone who calls himself a maverick, and yet whose ideals are not very different from President Bush's. I can't vote for any candidate who is committed to overturning Roe v. Wade.

Those are personal choices that I make in voting. It has nothing to do with who Sarah Palin is as a person. I don't think it would be any different if it was McCain/Romney on the ticket. I think it simply would have been more of the same.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513302
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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
I'm not doubting that at this point Obama is the clear front runner. It's when he's actually in office that I'm worried .


At worst, you'll have to root for Romney or Huckabee or Palin(!) or Gingrich or a darkhorse outsider in 2012 within the GOP primaries.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #513303
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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
I'm not doubting that at this point Obama is the clear front runner. It's when he's actually in office that I'm worried .


Now you know how I felt after W stole the election from Gore.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #513314
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Originally Posted By: Mignon
What's gonna matter is the next two debates. Now is the time for the "Maverick" rolleyes to pull out his trump card if he expects to win.


What trump card?


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #513316
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe


However, she has also avoided several questions by talking around them until the time ran out, deregulation for example.


BINGO! She's now officially qualified to be in a very high position within our government! lol wink

Seriously though, I thought that overall, BOTH candidates did a pretty good job last night.



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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Don Cardi] #513317
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I looked at it like a football game. Biden won the game, but Palin covered the spread.

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Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I looked at it like a football game. Biden won the game, but Palin covered the spread.


EXCELLENT analogy Lou! I like it! And perhaps Biden edged her out due to his scoring on a bad call by the officials. lol



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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #513320
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Originally Posted By: Mignon
What's gonna matter is the next two debates. Now is the time for the "Maverick" rolleyes to pull out his trump card if he expects to win.


What trump card?


If he has one.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Don Cardi] #513322
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Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I looked at it like a football game. Biden won the game, but Palin covered the spread.


EXCELLENT analogy Lou! I like it! And perhaps Biden edged her out due to his scoring on a bad call by the officials. lol


lol

"After further review the call on the field stands. McCain/Palin will be charged with their first timeout."

Palin may lack depth on the issues, but she is likeable and has a folksy appeal that resonates with many Americans." She and her family are unique among the candidates. I think Biden was well advised not to attack her or correct her. She was evasive on some questions, falling back on the energy issue often, but once the candidates get rolling, many forget what the question was.

I missed a half hour in the middle of the debate, but once again Biden made two references to Scranton. There is a flurry of campaign activity in northeastern PA. Yesterday, polls indicated that Obama has opened his largest lead yet.

The economy is determining the election.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: klydon1] #513324
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The real loser in the debate last night was Gwen Ifill. She was awful. She just mailed it in.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: klydon1] #513325
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I usually don't get into these discussions, but after last night -- while "likable and folksy" -- I have absolutely no faith in Palin as #2 of the free world. Many times debaters seem to avoid the questions asked, especially when they don't have a good answer, but she took it to a new level. She didn't "debate" so much as made it a point to use all her minutes to get her bullet-points in regardless of the question. Whenever Biden asked her a specific question, she danced around it. She also looked incredibly nervous and the antithesis of a candidate. Now, I'm not comparing her to the disaster by the name of James Stockdale (under Perot) or Dan Quayle, by any means, but she makes me nervous. I hate Hillary, but at least she presents herself as someone who knows what she's talking about -- whether right or wrong.

I don't particularly like either presidential candidate. We need something other than "more of the same" but at the same time, we need someone with experience who won't be irresponsible in finishing what we've started (regardless of how it was started). Almost every election it seems to be the lesser of two evils. I don't think anyone is particularly trustworthy, either.

The last two debates will hopefully produce a clear, convincing winner. And I hope the American people will listen to the issues discussed rather than voting strictly on party lines or because there's a minority or a woman on the ticket.



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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: J Geoff] #513326
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JG, While I agree that she seemed nervous at the very beginning, I think she got herself together rather quickly. I agree that Biden seemed to answer the questions far more directly than she did. The Republicans once again put up someone of the old guard and been surprised by a young candidate who has caught the imagination of the American people at a time when we are feeling financially insecure, just like Bill Clinton did in 1992. I think that the Republicans felt that if they preached more of their 2004 scare tactics, they would walk into the White House again. I don't think that anyone expected the economy to tank the way it has.


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Originally Posted By: J Geoff

She also looked incredibly nervous and the antithesis of a candidate.


I expected her to be a bit nervous at the begining of the debate. Senator Biden has had many years of experience standing in front of television cameras and speaking to, and in front of, millions of Americans where as Governor Palin is just really getting her feet wet in addressing an Americn audience of this magnitute. All in all I think that she wound up doing a really good job and wound up being pretty calm and collective. And it looked as though Senator Biden himself saw this and respected her for it.

I would love to know what Biden and her were talking about and laughing about when they introduced each other to their respective families after the debate was over.


Originally Posted By: J Geoff

I hope the American people will listen to the issues discussed rather than voting strictly on party lines or because there's a minority or a woman on the ticket.


So do I Geoff, so do I.



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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #513333
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Originally Posted By: dontomasso
The real loser in the debate last night was Gwen Ifill. She was awful. She just mailed it in.


I agree to a point. She did nothing when Sarah Palin answered a question with a totally different topic. She had little choice though. Everyone knows she has an Obama book coming out, so she had to lay off Palin.

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Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Originally Posted By: Just Lou
I looked at it like a football game. Biden won the game, but Palin covered the spread.


EXCELLENT analogy Lou! I like it! And perhaps Biden edged her out due to his scoring on a bad call by the officials. lol


It always seems to come to sports for me, doesn't it? lol

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The unemployment rate held steady in September @ 6.1%, but 159,000 jobs were cut, the most in 5 years.

Debate outcomes or not, the election will pivot on the economy.


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Biden won the debate, and he handled himself better than Obama did last week. Palin did ok. She avoided looking dumb and unready by sticking to a carefully prepared script of generalities and banalities. Two takeaways:

First, McCain put her on the ticket to shore up his support among the GOP Right. They were beginning to sweat after Palin's gaffes with Katie Couric. Now they're probably breathing sighs of relief. But McCain already had the GOP Right before Palin (realistically, would they ever vote for Obama?). He needs to reach out to the middle of both parties if he expects to win. Instead, he keeps looking to the Right.

Second, Palin's adequate performance last night probably will slow or stop the flow of free votes Obama had been getting thanks to the Couric interviews. Now he needs to take off the gloves and defeat McCain decisively. He can't afford any more ties--they benefit McCain.


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