Which is exactly what Gov. Palin is, and apparently has been, since she first took public office.



Because McCain himself never made that argument against Obama, as much as members of Obama's OWN Party did.

Nor was it ever his 'best' argument.

Listen...as we BB members know, every man has but one destiny.

And so, as Hillary Clinton & Barack Obama will soon learn...does every woman.

Apple

Why do I feel a Star Wars reference coming on...?

What would have been the objection to picking Pawlenty or Romney over Palin?

Hmm, I don't like Romney; he doesn't look sexy.

Did you even listen to the clip? Palin didn't call Lyda Green a bitch, the host did. And Lyda Green is a cancer survivor, meaning she currently doesn't have cancer.

Damn, you're right.

Thanks for correcting me.

Speaking of which, can I now make fun of Lance Armstrong's testicular cancer? I mean he no longer has it, so can I?

"He drops the ball!"

The argumentation my dear I'm talking about is, for example: "We must continue the fight in Iraq because..." then you state your case.

Argumentation is about making your case, taking into consideration your opponents talking points, then ripping them to shreds this side of Enron documents.

Notice that like the Putin statement days back, you didn't respond to my point about Karl Rove's statement, nor the radio address...but Geoff got me on the radio address.

Since you appleonya didn't respond with your counter-argument, it means you concede the point to me by default, and thus I won that angle.

Since Geoff got me with the radio gig, he won that one.



The banner logo of the GOP "War Room" during the DNC at Denver was a giant Obama poster saying: Not Ready Yet

Go look it up, it's true.



Which is what, that McCain is a conservative? That he aint a Democrat? That he served in the Army? That he was a proven bi-partisan "Maverick" at times while in the Senate? That he should have been the GOP nominee in 2000 instead of Dubya, but because of his anger and the black baby South Carolina nonsense, it wasn't to be?




More like Hillary is already planning 2012. Shit, she and Bubba were undercutting Obama until several people got pissed over it, and she did had that whole "Roll Call" moment to save face.

So if McCain wins this time, its him against Hillary in 2012.

There's a report out that supposedly the McCain campaign didn't vet out Palin, which until I see it for myself, I refuse to believe. I mean, this is 2008...this aint 1972 for fucks sake.

Then again, if you don't dig up the skeletons or anything in your closet, a campaign can't work against it or be prepared for it when it does arise.

And looks like if that above report is true, then just like Obama and McCain, Palin already has a flip-flop problem: http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html

And to think, perhaps a main reason why McCain got voted into the GOP Nomination was because many thought he was the one GOPer that could beat Hillary.

You're getting a bit carried away, ronnie...

I really didn't see this discussion as a 'winning' or 'losing' one, on any 'angle'. Just a discussion about McCain's running mate selection.

Listen, I feel he made the right choice. Romney would've been fine with me, in fact that's who I was sure he would go with until the big news came out Friday morning. Most others on the BB do not think Palin, for whatever reason...although I've seen 'experience' as the number one beef people have.

In the end, it was Obama who made the 'safe' pick with Joe Biden. McCain made the daring choice and we'll see if it pays off. However, for someone who was a year ago one of the 'underdog' GOP candidates, who appeared to have seen his opportunity come and go in 2000 and is now about to become the Presidential nominee of his Party...McCain seems to have made all the right moves so far and I'm not about to doubt him now.

So, argue all you want, if that's what you feel you have to do. The decisions are made, the nominations will soon be 'official' and we'll have to see over the next few months of heavy campaigning by both the Presidential AND VP candidates, the debate series, and Election Night itself.

Gotta go order my 'McCain/Palin' bumper stickers!!

Best,
AppleOnYa

ps - If former 'Golden Boy' John Edwards could look into a camera proudly claim he cheated on his wife while her cancer was 'in remission', then why not refer to another cancer survivor as a 'bitch'.

The Gallup polls will be interesting today. It will be the first full post Palin pick/Obama speech poll. Limited polling showed Obama getting a 8 point bounce, then McCain getting back 2 points for his pick of Palin. CNN's small poll showed Obama only getting a 1 point bounce.

Interesting. It seems the pick of Palin is more popular with men than women. From CNN 9/1/08:

"Less than 12 hours after Obama accepted the Democratic presidential nomination, McCain introduced Palin as running mate, surprising the political world.

So far, according to the poll, 4 in 10 Americans are not familiar with Palin; 38 percent of those questioned viewed her favorably and 21 percent unfavorably.

Men appear to have a slightly more favorable opinion of Palin than women; 41 percent of men view her favorably, five points higher than women.

Americans seem evenly divided on whether McCain made a wise choice in selecting Alaska's first term governor, who's been in office for less than two years.

Fifty-two percent rate the selection of Palin as excellent or pretty good; 46 percent rate it as fair or poor.

Is Palin qualified to be president?

Fifty percent say she's not qualified to assume the presidency if that becomes necessary; 45 percent say she is qualified.

In recent history, the only running mate to earn less confidence from the public was Vice President Dan Quayle in 1992.

Ultimately however, the Palin pick may have minimal effect on the race for the White House.

Almost 6 in 10 Americans say Palin's selection as McCain's running mate will have no effect on their vote. One in five say it makes them more likely to vote for McCain; one in five say it makes them less likely.

Three quarters of all voters think McCain chose a female running mate specifically because he thought adding a woman to the Republican ticket would help him win in November.

"If McCain was hoping to boost his share of the women's vote, it didn't work," Holland said.

"Women now appear slightly more likely to vote for Obama than they did a week ago, 53 percent now, compared to 50 percent. But McCain picked up a couple of points among men. "

By the way, check out the Drudge Report. There's a blogger who says that Palin's last baby is actually her daughter's baby. He presents pictures that don't appear to show Palin pregnant, but there's one that shows her daughter pregnant.

^ And this is relevant how?

Another set of brilliant remarks from the Democrat side.

At least Michael Moore had the balls to state his thoughts right out there on national television. Then again...he had a reputation to uphold.

http://www.redstate.com/diaries/absentee/2008/aug/30/fowler-fouls-hurricane-is-gods-favor-to-dem/

Apple

If I'm not mistaken, from what I saw on FoxNews, some Democrats were rationalizing the comments by saying it's not as bad as Jerry Falwell claiming 9/11 was punishment for the propagation of homosexuals.

Can we just agree that both statements are fucking horrible?

Now for today's partisan propaganda, brought to you by the United States Navy...It's Not a Job, It's an Adventure!

I don't know...I think Falwell was right.

So you mean innocent and brave New Yorkers died because of homosexuals? Yeah I can't wait for SC or Don Cardi to get back to ya on that statement.

Remember when Dobson said he prayed to God that it would rain during Obama's Invesco Field speech?

"Sorry, but I'm not here. Please leave your name, number, and I'll might get to your prayer. BEEP"

Do I really need to dig the sarcasm tag out again? Seriously?

I saw that rumor too. I don't remember where.

To be fair, I think that story is nonsense.

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Why is this a recurring problem with you, like my fights with Irishman were?

Agreed.

And now, perhaps Political Capitalization-disguised-as-Goodwill at its finest!

Obama will mobilize volunteers for Gustav

Sen. Obama gathered the pool outside after services at St. Luke's Lutheran Church. He told us that his camapaign plans to mobilize its huge e-mail list of supporters to volunteer or send money once the impact of Gustav becomes apparent and authorities know better what kind of help is needed. He said his campaign is coordinating with local authorities.

"We can activate an e-mail list of a couple million people who want to give back," he said. "I think we can get tons of volunteers to travel down there if it becomes necessary."

Your pooler asked him if McCain's visit now is appropriate.

His response: "A big storm like this raises bipartisan concerns and I think for John to want to find out what's going on is fine."

"The thing that I always am concerned about in the middle of a storm is whether we're drawing resources away from folks on the ground because the Secret Service and various security requirements, sometimes it pulls police, fire and other departments away from concentrating on the job."

"I'm assuming that where he went that wasn't an issue. Were going to try to stay clear of the area until things have settled down and then we'll probably try to figure out how we can be as helpful as possible."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_will_mobilize_volunteers_for_Gustav.html

Maybe because you don't appreciate my sense of humor. I would have figured that by now people would realize I'm not serious 99% of the time. Pizzaboy gets it. Mikey Sulivan used to get it when he was here. Ice gets it. Blibble does too!

Anyways, yet again, this thread isn't supposed to be about me. Back to --> ontopic.

The blogger doesn't seem to have his story straight.

Gov. & Mr. Palin have released a statement that their unmarried, 17yr old daughter is currently pregnant. Gov. Palin and her husband are indeed the parents of the baby boy born last April.

Maybe because you don't appreciate my sense of humor. I would have figured that by now people would realize I'm not serious 99% of the time. Pizzaboy gets it. Mikey Sulivan used to get it when he was here. Ice gets it. Blibble does too!

Anyways, yet again, this thread isn't supposed to be about me. Back to --> ontopic.

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Considering how SC and Appleonya told you to quit your "sense of humor" involving race...:p

She is?

Wow, that's news to me, and even more dirt for one nasty race.

I can just imagine what my mother will say now tomorrow: "What does this tell you about her parents, and how they raised her?"