I'm talking about the last 4 or 5 years. They lost both Clemens and Pettitte to Houston, and who did they have? They haven't had decent starting or relief pitchers in years. Wang has done a great job, but he's also been injured at some point every season. Moose has been hit or miss. And that's been the extent of it. One or two reliable starters isn't enough.

I think that both Torre and Girardi have had to play with whoever they've been given. And that SUCKS. But, as I said earlier, Torre's main talent is to squeeze a performance out of a player that he didn't even know he had in him.

If anything, I think that Cashman should have been fired last year, for the reasons that we both gave. Torre wasn't the problem, and neither is Girardi.

If the next year or two have to be rebuilding years, then so be it. Perhaps that what's needed.