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Willi Cicci's rank?
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06/04/08 01:52 PM
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What's his rank in the family after the Corleones leave to Nevada, he is Frank Pentangeli's right hand man, but is he still just a soldier? Also at the Senate hearing he says "At first, just like everyone else, I was a button man..." Meaning he was no longer one. Thoughts?
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Re: Willi Cicci's rank?
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Cicci to me would be more of an underboss, I agree he's not consigliere material, he was always more muscle or atleast that's how it appears in the moive. I always loved him for some reason as I've seen many on the board have felt the same feelings.
I suppose I actually should have asked this as well, what is Frank Pentangeli considered I know he is a capo under Michael, but is he considered a street boss in which Cicci could just be his right hand man and deliver orders through him, ect.?
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Re: Willi Cicci's rank?
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Cicci was a character that FFC wanted high profile in scenes. So, he played him so. As a result, you can't connect the dots. Yes. Cicci's really a minor character. But Joe Spinell was so perfect for the role that he gets mentioned here far out of proportion to his actual role in the film. FFC obviously valued his presence by giving him little cameos that gave him the visibility that seems to attract us here. As for who he belonged to: We first see him in the scene where Michael is saying goodbye to Sonny before meeting Sol and Mac. Look in the background of that corridor and you'll see Tessio impatiently gesturing, then Cicci comes to him. That suggested to me that Cicci was with Tess originally. And yes, he's bodyguarding Sonny, and Sonny had his own regime, so... Then at the end, he says, "Sal, Tom, the boss says for you to go on ahead..." which could mean that he'd taken on some higher role in the family independent of Tess and Clem. In the novel's denouement, Neri went with Michael to Nevada, and Rocco stayed with Clemenza in NYC. Cicci wasn't a character in the novel.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Willi Cicci's rank?
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Then at the end, he says, "Sal, Tom, the boss says for you to go on ahead..." which could mean that he'd taken on some higher role in the family independent of Tess and Clem.
I suspect Cicci got a "battlefield promotion" after Tessio's betrayal, he shot one of the heads of the five families, and thn came to the mall with instructions to end Tesssio's plans to take Michael to Brooklyn, and to arrange for Tessio's last car trip. Although he did not play a prominent part in the two movies, his acting was terrific, proving the old maxim, there are no small parts, just actors who play their parts small.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Willi Cicci's rank?
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By the way, not much is made in the novel or film of Sonny's regime. I wonder why. Why wouldn't Sonny use his regime to guard the mall after Vito is shot or, in any case, from day one? Good point. Sonny may have alluded to his regime in The Godfather as follows: When Clemenza comes into his apartment to say word on the street is Vito is already dead, Clemenza then asks Sonny if he should send any men to protect him and his family. Sonny tells him "no" probably because he suspected CLemenza may have had a hand in the shooting. Minutes later, however Sonny tells his wife that he is sending some men over to protect them. Those men were probably in his regime.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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