No kidding. What's that about? She isn't "making any decisions right now?" Yea, talk about refusing to admit defeat.



TIS

I took her speech as telling Obama if he wants he 18 millions votes, he better give her what she wants.

Will her pride not let her admit defeat? She makes me ill.

It's politics, politics, politics. They are playing for the highest stakes. She has invested huge amounts of time, money, and effort on which she wants a return. It's political negotiationand Obama will need all the assets he can accrue to beat McCain.

I would too....but he might very well be forced into that concession.

Anyway folks, this is a great day in American history, or will be when Hillary finally taps out.

You know, you never did tell us why you supported Hillary. Not that I really care*, but more curious than anything else.

*=Look through the website archives, you'll find my reasons.

I know, really!

Imagine if Clinton had just won the nomination of the party, and Obama went to give a speech, introduced as the "next president", failing to congratulate Hillary on her victory, failing to acknowledge that she had the majority, talking about everything HE had done, and how HIS supporters must have their wishes fulfilled, and that he will 'decide' how to act -- Imagine the histrionics!

Here we have a historic moment and a need to move on for the party's sake and for Obama to gain focus for the general election, and Hillary is still trying to steal the spotlight, still twisting the knife, still being a distraction and still living in the fantasy world of her own devising.

I read about Obama's idea of making peace with Clinton by offering her the Secretary of Heath position. That way she gets to work on her Universal Health Care (which is a big thing for her). That's better than her being VP and her waiting for an assassination ;P.

You would think so, exect Hillary is too much like Nixon: That thirst for power, that hunger for conquest just overrides any ideological goals she has been pinning for.

Then again, who knows. Maybe she'll surprise us.

*laughs*

Hillary Clinton never gets on that ticket, and I'll tell you why. Bill was slick, Bill was handsome, Hillary had him under speech lessons, lying lessons, and just to show I'm not a hard hearted man, he got the best blow jobs of anyone and I've had 'em all over the world! And then along comes Barrack Obama with his Hawaiian charm and oratorical voice, and he threw it all away just to make Hillary look ridiculous, and a woman in her position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!

Awesome DT, simply awesome.

I don't know who uses GF quotes more you or Cardi. But I love it just the same.

Hillary gives up

RRA, the people surrounding her bed seem to be all happy

While I like DT's humorous "Godfather" assessment of why Hillary doesn't get on the ticket, I have to agree. I just cannot see how Obama can afford to put her on because that means Bill comes along. And I think Bill is awesome and is the best politician of the past 30 years. But Obama cannot have a former president looking over his shoulder constantly, or whispering in Hillary's ear "Tell Barrack to do it this way..." etc.

Honestly, she's 60 years old - why would she want to play 2nd fiddle at this point in her career? I think she brings a lot to the table and would be an asset in the administration, but not as VP. I think losing will always be stuck in the back of her mind and is something that she will not be able to get over if she were the VP.

Hysterical, DT. It's also very true. The three person committee that Obama appointed doesn't bode well for Hillary's chances at VP. You have Caroline Kennedy, who gave Obama a key boost when she backed him along with her uncle Edward. With her are veteran Democratic operative Jim Johnson, who has not been a Clinton fan, and Eric Holder, the former acting attorney general who was left holding the bag on Bill Clinton's controversial pardons. I think the committee itself is a veiled message for her to get on with her life. At this point, I'm thinking Jim Webb probably looks like the favorite.

Yeah, I gotta agree with PB now......Hillary won't be VP, and yeah it runs the risk of pissing off her hardcore fans, but you know what?

There is judgment in this decision, because it forces those same people to make a choice in November: Vote for Obama, or McCain, or stay home.

I guess Webb might be VP, or even Richardson.

Good point, Ronnie. Very rarely has a running mate weighed in on my decision, if ever. For an example, I voted for Reagan in '84, even though I wasn't crazy about Bush Sr. I also voted for Gore, even though I knew that Leiberman was a fucking phony. Even back then.

Wow, Mondale was that shitty, eh?

Speaking of which, another VP possibility is Governor Janet Napolitano of Arizona. If Obama picks her, would this classify as:

Obama(to Hillary): "now go home and get ya shinebox!"

Mondale was a terrible candidate, Dukakis was even worse. Bush Sr. was not that great a politician, so when Clinton came on the scene he looked brilliant. He WAS the best living politician in America, but now that title belongs to Obama, even if he loses the general election. That's one of the reasons imho Bill was continuously fliying into rages as he saw himself become increasingly irrelvant.

As for the Veep, I thin Obama is in a real pickle. I don't see him taking the Gov. of
Arizona cause that's McCain's home state, and it is probably out of reach. I believe Richardson is overrated in terms of delivering the so called Hispanic vote. My thought is McCain will take Romney putting mIchigan into play. Webb is a good choice because he brings military and foreign policy chops to the ticket, but he barely won Virginia, and he doesn't do much more than deliver Virginia, where the demographics are changing enough for Obama to have a chance regardless. My guess is he picks either Gov Rendell of Pennsylvania, who would help him hold Pa, possibly win Ohio and also mollify the Jewish voters, who would put Florida back in lay if they all came out to vote (and if the elections commission allows blacks here to vote). His other choice would be Gov. Strickland of Ohio. He could bring in the so called working class whites with whom Obama has trouble connecting and also probaly carry Ohio which is probably a must win state.

I saw an online electoral vote poll that is about 3 weeks old which shows McCain leads in states totaling 269 electoral votes. If that holds Obama would have to win every remaining undecided state.

I think this is going to be a close election, and would be interested to see what the odds are that it will end up in an electoral vote tie and go to the House of Repreeentatives.

P.S. PB, I totally agree with you and I also always though Lieberman was a weasel.
"So Al Gore gave his loyalty to a Jew over his own blood"
"Ahhh come on Frankie, you know Al Gore did business with Joe Lieberman, Al Gore respected Joe Lieberman."
"
Al Gore worked with Joe Lieberman, Al Gore respected Joe Lieberman, but Al Gore never
never trusted Joe Lieberman, or his Arizona messenger boy John McCain!"

Good point, Don T

In my opinion, Bill Clinton's flying off the handle can be more attributed to his losing his appeal to Obama, than to his wife's losing the nomination.

Sure, Bill flies off the handle sometimes but me and Bill are good friends....right Bill?

Never have your Godfather analogies been more apropos, Don T, because Clinton really was banging cocktail waitresses two at a time. He even got one for Hillary, but her heart belonged to Janet Reno.

By the way, Reno's d***? That's no fake, that's why they call her Superman.

"Furthermore, during a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.

While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.

Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.

Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.

Afterwards, Obama smiled and pointed up at reporters peering over the edge of the press gallery for a better glimpse of their interaction."

"Bitch, where's my dinner?!?!"

http://www.rollcall.com/news/25627-1.htm...ser_id=80056086

I read the account you posted earlier today, RR. I'm glad to see Obama go on the offensive. Lieberman is such a worthless tool. Lieberman's wimpiness contributed to Gore's poor campaign in 2000.





To which Bill & Hillary replied: "You f--king mutt!"

I like Bill Richardson a lot, but I agree that he doesn't bring enough broad appeal to the ticket. There's a reason he dropped out of the race early.

Webb brings some military credibility, but I also question how effective he'd be under the glare of a national presidential race. I think he comes off cranky and bland, and you're absolutely right to question his appeal in the close race in 2006 when he won by 1/2 a pct. point.

I was surprised you mentioned Rendell, who was the staunchest Hillary supporter during the primary, no doubt paying off a debt to Bill Clinton, who made his wife a federal judge and then appointed her to the Third Circuit. Rendell was the Philadelphia DA when the city became the first in US history to decide to drop a bomb on itself in 1985. He is an avid Philadelphia Eagle fan and has been spotted with groups of fans, pelting Phil Simms, LT, Parcells and the NY Giants with snowballs at old Veterans Stadium. He also went on Fox News, praising the network's criticism of Obama. I think he comes off sleazy.

I'm not too familiar with Gov. Strickland.

I don't think that having Hillary on the ticket would necessarily result in the Clintons trying to run the show. While Cheney has been able to exert excessive influence over Bush, Obama didn't come all this way to be manipulated. I think Hillary as a VP candidate brings a lot to the ticket.

I do not think the Clinton's will try to manipulate Obama. I just think they're always going to stick their noses in, particularly when not asked. Bill was famous for this, even as president, according to George Stephanopoulos' book. I feel that there will always be some underlying resentment that Hillary will have toward Obama. Not necessarily person, but more of "how did I ever let this get away from me?" mentality.

looks like the queen has lost her crown!!!

Yeah, that Senator from the Minnealpolis brought me to see it. Old man Chney would never go there.

No way would Hillary not butt in, not to mention Bill. The presidency doesn't need three people. Besides, the ofice of Vice President requires great loyalty even if there's a disagreement with th president. SHould that happen, I don't see the Clintons as loyal, and any disagreement they had with Obama could easily be leaked by Bill.