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Who do you think will become the US president? #483107
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This is about your prediction, not who you wish becomes the president.

Predict the president
single choice
Votes accepted starting: 04/08/08 12:22 PM
Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: svsg] #483119
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Not that i care, but i think it will be McCain ;\)


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I think whoever McCain picks as a running mate is crucial. I heard today that Condoleza Rice wouldn't rule out a VP offer - I don't know if she would be good or bad for McCain.


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Don Marco] #483138
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Right here, but I'd rather be ...
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Right here, but I'd rather be ...
Why isn't there an "LLC" choice?


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Jesus, I accidentally clicked McCain in attempt to select Obama, only to find he's already in the lead.

That's yuckier than it is surprising.


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: long_lost_corleone] #483140
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 Originally Posted By: long_lost_corleone
Why isn't there an "LLC" choice?

All those in the list have funding sources that extend beyond New York public fountains \:\)

Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Don Marco] #483151
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 Originally Posted By: Don Marco
I think whoever McCain picks as a running mate is crucial. I heard today that Condoleza Rice wouldn't rule out a VP offer - I don't know if she would be good or bad for McCain.


Considering that McCain has been trying to distance himself from the Bush White House....Rice as VP is a shitty idea. Why tie oneself to anything connected with toxic waste?

As for the poll, is this asking who I want to be President, or who I think will win?

If its McCain/Hillary, McCain will win.

If its McCain/Obama, Obama will win.

EDIT - People voted for Hillary?


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #483152
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 Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

As for the poll, is this asking who I want to be President, or who I think will win?


It is who you think will win...

Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: svsg] #483156
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Ya, if these DAM Democrats keep F..cking around, McCain will become President. I really don't think he will though. Not with a Republican President being in office for the last 8 years and the country in the shitter the way it is.

Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Sicilian1] #483169
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I can only predict as I see it at this point. If Clinton wins the Dem Nomination I think McCain will win, if Obama wins the Dem nomination I think Obama will win. \:\)

Anything can happen in the next few months. In my view, right now McCain is getting pretty much a free ride. Once the Dems get a candidate it'll tighten up the polls between the two. McCain won't have it so easy after that. Afterall, what's politics without the dirt.

Anyway, I'll go with Obama.


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Don Cardi] #483210
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I think Obama will beat McCain.

It has historically been extemely difficult for one party to remain in the presidency for more than two terms. The election will hinge on two main issues: the U.S. economy and the Iraq war.

Ronnierocket is correct: the last thing McCain needs in a running mate is someone like Rice who is so intimately tied to the Bush-Cheney administration. Although it would be helpful to have a minority running mate if the opposition is Obama, Rice is not the correct minority candidate to choose.

I also agree 100% with TIS: If Hillary somehow were to obtain the nomination, whether by superdelegate controversy or just by blowing by Obama in the last primaries (not likely), she will definitely lose to McCain. She is a lightning rod within her own party, let alone the right-wing haters she has accumulated.

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It all comes down to voter turnout. Much of the Democrats lead so far is based on the youth vote. I'm not confident that they will turn out in large numbers to support Democrats.


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McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds.


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Turnbull] #483240
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 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds.


True to some extent. But don't you think that all of the bashing keeps the Dems stimulated and on the front page?


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: Turnbull] #483271
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 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds.


TB there is something else at work here. McCain has the GOP nomination, but he has it with as much enthusiasm from the GP base as George Bush Sr. had it 1992. His findraising is anemic. Plus the more "bipartisan" and "centrist" he appears, the more he will cause the nut cases to stay home. He is moderate on abortion (pays lip service to being against it, but no one believes him) does not believe in torture, believes in global warming, believes in free trade (which hurts among "Reagan Democrats") and is willing to reach across the aisle to get things done. These are IMHO good qualities, but for the far religious right they are not, and I see them not raising money and staying home.

His big issue is experience and basically "Who do you want as commander in chief in the next four years?" This is what the GOP always wins on, and for the Dems to win they have to be able to counterpunch. Here I think Obama may have a huge advantage. If he picks, as I think he will, Senator Webb from Virginia, a man of impeccable miliary credentials, their "outside the box" response to the anticipated "Democrats are weak" is this: McCain's concept of "strength" and "national security" is flawed and out of date. By focusing so much on "winning" Iraq, we face a pyhrric victory. The army is almost broken. Mid level officers are leaving in droves, and the next generation of generals will be second raters. We face danger elsewhere, and we have put all our eggs into one basket, which basket is a flawed policy. Better a sensible way out of Iraq even if there is Iraqi bloodshed and a shift in the balance of power in the Middle East to more shia strength (actually this might be a good counter balance to the Sunni extremeists), than an ongoing expensive war without end. Bottom line... if we bleed to death in Iraq, and wind up with a broken and weakened army, AND have bad economic consequences at home are a weaker or a stronger nation? It can be made into a compelling argument and it can winn in November.


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Re: Who do you think will become the US president? [Re: dontomasso] #483273
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Intersting points, Dontomasso. I hope you're right about the right-wing extremists not supporting McBush in November. Amazingly, McCain is still trying to talk about all the warring factions in Iraq and continues to make the same mistakes (as recently as yesterday) about who is fighting. This, to me, is the result of a much bigger problem - McCain is, as Sollozzo once famously said, "slippin'." Big time.

I haven't heard much of Webb's name since we won in 2006 over the opponent who made "macacca" fau paux. Whomever Obama chooses, it has to be somebody viewed with a formidable resume and credibility.

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Intersting points, Dontomasso. I hope you're right about the right-wing extremists not supporting McBush in November. Amazingly, McCain is still trying to talk about all the warring factions in Iraq and continues to make the same mistakes (as recently as yesterday) about who is fighting. This, to me, is the result of a much bigger problem - McCain is, as Sollozzo once famously said, "slippin'." Big time.

I haven't heard much of Webb's name since we won in 2006 over the opponent who made "macacca" fau paux. Whomever Obama chooses, it has to be somebody viewed with a formidable resume and credibility.


Another name I've heard is Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen, who's main schtick has been healthcare.....a major election issue looming this fall.

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 Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
If McCain gets sworn in, do you think there'll be a rise in sales of his oven chips?






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 Originally Posted By: olivant
 Originally Posted By: Turnbull
McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds.


True to some extent. But don't you think that all of the bashing keeps the Dems stimulated and on the front page?


 Originally Posted By: dontomasso
Plus the more "bipartisan" and "centrist" he appears, the more he will cause the nut cases to stay home. He is moderate on abortion (pays lip service to being against it, but no one believes him) does not believe in torture, believes in global warming, believes in free trade (which hurts among "Reagan Democrats") and is willing to reach across the aisle to get things done. These are IMHO good qualities, but for the far religious right they are not, and I see them not raising money and staying home.



The danger that the Dems face is the same one that caused the Goldwater debacle in 1964, and an exact repeat by McGovern on the other side of the aisle in '72. In both cases, they captured their respective primaries and conventions on the shoulders of fervent, partisan supporters who were influential and well organized--but constituted only a minority of the electorate. And, in the general election, both Goldwater and McGovern spent most of their time "preaching to the choir"--those already committed to them. They didn't reach out to the midde of their own parties, to the uncommitted, and to those in the other parties.

The fact that the GOP right wing is lukewarm on McCain could be a big asset in the general election: most GOP voters (and most Dems, too) aren't religious fundamentalists, anti-abortion, pro-war, etc. I hope that once Clinton or Obama nail the nomination, they'll reach out to those constituencies, too. But for now, while they're of necessity being heavily partisan, McCain is making hay while the sun shines.

Obama is the current fund-raising champ. But what if, once he wins the nomination, his givers decide that it's all over, or that they gave enough? He'll need money from people who haven't given to him yet--people McCain may already have locked up.


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TB, keep in mind that unlike Goldwater and McGovern, the Dems primary stats are huge. Also, fundraisers will tell you that those who gave once are very likely to give again.


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I disagree, Turnbull, about the comparison to McGovern. Unlike that election, the Democrats are not running against an incumbent president. It's been well documented the lengths to which Nixon went to discredit anybody and everybody who was trying to take his place. Nixon wanted the weakest possible opponent (and did not want to run against a third Kennedy) and got his wish with McGovern, who was as weak a candidate as Dukakis or Mondale.

The other aspect which I think this election is different lies with the fact that Obama has the ability to reach across party lines and certainly toward independents. I agree with you that McGovern did not do that in the '72 election. McCain has demonstrated this same ability and for a longer time than Obama, but Clinton cannot come close to reaching across party lines as McCain & Obama do. At the end of the day, people will fundamentally be choosing between more of the same (McCain) policies of the past 8 years or an alternative direction (Obama).

Regarding the fundraising, McCain is much more apt to pick up big donors, who contribute in the thousands. Obama has, and I believe will continue to, get the working and middle class donations. I feel that Obama has demonstrated more fundraising appeal to the Joe Averages out there than either Hillary or McCain. McCain will reaching out to the same big corporate donors and lobbyists that Bush received.

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I have not exhaustive research. However, the few states that I have reviewed leads me to believe Obama is not as strong as perceived in crossover Republicans nor independents. The states I have looked at hard returns and county by county results have shown he has beat HRC in tradional Democratic strongholds. Likewise in the traditional Republican strongholds he has done poorly. Intersting when you look at county by county election returns and color in the map. Let's say HRC is pink (call me a cheuvenist :)) and make Obama blue. Go across the U.S and color in the map by county and you will see a lot of pink.

Take my own state Missouri, Obama won the state vote. However, he won only 5-6 counties (he trounced HRC). HRC, on the other hand won handliy in the other 105 counties.

Caucases are an anamoly and cannot be considered as it is easy to scew the results one way or the other.

However, the other states I have looked at (and granted I have not seen them all) have this same trend.

If Obamaa gets the nomination (and I am ASSuming he will), I am not sure he will be able to garner enough support in the Democaratic areas to overcome the Republican areas.

Further -- think about it -- we are only talking about battles in about 10 or 12 states. The others are so strongly entrenched either Republican or Democratic that it does not make a difference.

Just an observation -- I dont suport either candidate!

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Hillary lacks the crossover appeal that McCain holds for Democrats, and, coversely, that Obama holds for Republicans. It's quite an interesting phenomenon.

Well, assuming that he gets the Democratic nod, I'm sticking by my guns with Obama, although I believe it will be a verrrrrrrrry tight general election.


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