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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: Don Marco]
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04/08/08 06:26 PM
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long_lost_corleone
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Why isn't there an "LLC" choice?
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: long_lost_corleone]
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04/08/08 06:28 PM
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long_lost_corleone
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Jesus, I accidentally clicked McCain in attempt to select Obama, only to find he's already in the lead.
That's yuckier than it is surprising.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: Don Marco]
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04/08/08 08:30 PM
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I think whoever McCain picks as a running mate is crucial. I heard today that Condoleza Rice wouldn't rule out a VP offer - I don't know if she would be good or bad for McCain. Considering that McCain has been trying to distance himself from the Bush White House....Rice as VP is a shitty idea. Why tie oneself to anything connected with toxic waste? As for the poll, is this asking who I want to be President, or who I think will win? If its McCain/Hillary, McCain will win. If its McCain/Obama, Obama will win. EDIT - People voted for Hillary?
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: Sicilian1]
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04/08/08 11:48 PM
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The Italian Stallionette
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I can only predict as I see it at this point. If Clinton wins the Dem Nomination I think McCain will win, if Obama wins the Dem nomination I think Obama will win. Anything can happen in the next few months. In my view, right now McCain is getting pretty much a free ride. Once the Dems get a candidate it'll tighten up the polls between the two. McCain won't have it so easy after that. Afterall, what's politics without the dirt. Anyway, I'll go with Obama. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: Turnbull]
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04/09/08 03:49 PM
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dontomasso
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McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds. TB there is something else at work here. McCain has the GOP nomination, but he has it with as much enthusiasm from the GP base as George Bush Sr. had it 1992. His findraising is anemic. Plus the more "bipartisan" and "centrist" he appears, the more he will cause the nut cases to stay home. He is moderate on abortion (pays lip service to being against it, but no one believes him) does not believe in torture, believes in global warming, believes in free trade (which hurts among "Reagan Democrats") and is willing to reach across the aisle to get things done. These are IMHO good qualities, but for the far religious right they are not, and I see them not raising money and staying home. His big issue is experience and basically "Who do you want as commander in chief in the next four years?" This is what the GOP always wins on, and for the Dems to win they have to be able to counterpunch. Here I think Obama may have a huge advantage. If he picks, as I think he will, Senator Webb from Virginia, a man of impeccable miliary credentials, their "outside the box" response to the anticipated "Democrats are weak" is this: McCain's concept of "strength" and "national security" is flawed and out of date. By focusing so much on "winning" Iraq, we face a pyhrric victory. The army is almost broken. Mid level officers are leaving in droves, and the next generation of generals will be second raters. We face danger elsewhere, and we have put all our eggs into one basket, which basket is a flawed policy. Better a sensible way out of Iraq even if there is Iraqi bloodshed and a shift in the balance of power in the Middle East to more shia strength (actually this might be a good counter balance to the Sunni extremeists), than an ongoing expensive war without end. Bottom line... if we bleed to death in Iraq, and wind up with a broken and weakened army, AND have bad economic consequences at home are a weaker or a stronger nation? It can be made into a compelling argument and it can winn in November.
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: dontomasso]
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04/09/08 04:19 PM
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Intersting points, Dontomasso. I hope you're right about the right-wing extremists not supporting McBush in November. Amazingly, McCain is still trying to talk about all the warring factions in Iraq and continues to make the same mistakes (as recently as yesterday) about who is fighting. This, to me, is the result of a much bigger problem - McCain is, as Sollozzo once famously said, "slippin'." Big time.
I haven't heard much of Webb's name since we won in 2006 over the opponent who made "macacca" fau paux. Whomever Obama chooses, it has to be somebody viewed with a formidable resume and credibility.
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: goombah]
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04/09/08 04:55 PM
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ronnierocketAGO
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Intersting points, Dontomasso. I hope you're right about the right-wing extremists not supporting McBush in November. Amazingly, McCain is still trying to talk about all the warring factions in Iraq and continues to make the same mistakes (as recently as yesterday) about who is fighting. This, to me, is the result of a much bigger problem - McCain is, as Sollozzo once famously said, "slippin'." Big time.
I haven't heard much of Webb's name since we won in 2006 over the opponent who made "macacca" fau paux. Whomever Obama chooses, it has to be somebody viewed with a formidable resume and credibility. Another name I've heard is Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen, who's main schtick has been healthcare.....a major election issue looming this fall.
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: olivant]
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04/09/08 09:35 PM
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McCain has a crucial advantage: he's already got the GOP nomination. Now he's focusing on messages of "unity" and "bipartisanship," reaching out beyond the GOP while the Dems are still bashing each other. Clinton or Obama could end up in the general election with only their current supporters on their side, while McCain captures the undecideds. True to some extent. But don't you think that all of the bashing keeps the Dems stimulated and on the front page? Plus the more "bipartisan" and "centrist" he appears, the more he will cause the nut cases to stay home. He is moderate on abortion (pays lip service to being against it, but no one believes him) does not believe in torture, believes in global warming, believes in free trade (which hurts among "Reagan Democrats") and is willing to reach across the aisle to get things done. These are IMHO good qualities, but for the far religious right they are not, and I see them not raising money and staying home.
The danger that the Dems face is the same one that caused the Goldwater debacle in 1964, and an exact repeat by McGovern on the other side of the aisle in '72. In both cases, they captured their respective primaries and conventions on the shoulders of fervent, partisan supporters who were influential and well organized--but constituted only a minority of the electorate. And, in the general election, both Goldwater and McGovern spent most of their time "preaching to the choir"--those already committed to them. They didn't reach out to the midde of their own parties, to the uncommitted, and to those in the other parties. The fact that the GOP right wing is lukewarm on McCain could be a big asset in the general election: most GOP voters (and most Dems, too) aren't religious fundamentalists, anti-abortion, pro-war, etc. I hope that once Clinton or Obama nail the nomination, they'll reach out to those constituencies, too. But for now, while they're of necessity being heavily partisan, McCain is making hay while the sun shines. Obama is the current fund-raising champ. But what if, once he wins the nomination, his givers decide that it's all over, or that they gave enough? He'll need money from people who haven't given to him yet--people McCain may already have locked up.
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Re: Who do you think will become the US president?
[Re: olivant]
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04/10/08 08:15 AM
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I disagree, Turnbull, about the comparison to McGovern. Unlike that election, the Democrats are not running against an incumbent president. It's been well documented the lengths to which Nixon went to discredit anybody and everybody who was trying to take his place. Nixon wanted the weakest possible opponent (and did not want to run against a third Kennedy) and got his wish with McGovern, who was as weak a candidate as Dukakis or Mondale.
The other aspect which I think this election is different lies with the fact that Obama has the ability to reach across party lines and certainly toward independents. I agree with you that McGovern did not do that in the '72 election. McCain has demonstrated this same ability and for a longer time than Obama, but Clinton cannot come close to reaching across party lines as McCain & Obama do. At the end of the day, people will fundamentally be choosing between more of the same (McCain) policies of the past 8 years or an alternative direction (Obama).
Regarding the fundraising, McCain is much more apt to pick up big donors, who contribute in the thousands. Obama has, and I believe will continue to, get the working and middle class donations. I feel that Obama has demonstrated more fundraising appeal to the Joe Averages out there than either Hillary or McCain. McCain will reaching out to the same big corporate donors and lobbyists that Bush received.
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