Originally Posted By: olivant
Well, I'm not going to waste my time to retort to all of your statements most of which are just emotional sophistry based on anecdotal information. You might also consider that DT accused America of racism.

The poll tax was only applied in the south and then only as of the early 1900s. In Texas, it was initiated in 1906. The White Primary in Texas was intitaed in 1923 and all white primaries anywhere were declared unconsitutional in 1944.

Cite your historical evidence for widespread racial discrimination in public facilities outside of the south.

Again, without the compromises embodied in the US Constitution there would not be a US Constitution and, thus, no US, and thus, no end to slavery.

The 14th amendment only requires that governmental processes that seek to deprive a citizern of life, liberty, or property follow due process of law. Its equal protection clause only requires that citizens have equal access to and application of the law. It is moot regarding the content of those processes or those laws. Again, and consistent with the amendment's legislative history, the Supreme Court ruled that the applicable Louisiana law was not violative of that amendment's provisions.

Try taking a constitutional law course and and read a book or two about US History. You might also want to read James Madison's or Rufus King's notes taken at the Constitutional Convention. Also, learn the difference between due process arguments and substantive due process arguments in the meantime. Until then, you might want to exercise the better part of valor and think before you write.


Of course you aren't going to respond to my points because the points are based in facts, not warmed over rhetoric that reads like it was borrowed from Thomas Sowell.

This could be pointless because in an excellent post DT already provided you chapter and verse history of America's racism. If you don't think any of that was racist, then NO one can make you believe otherwise.

I expect that you will likely reject these as well but try reading some of the books listed here which discuss sundown towns and discrimination in public accommodations outside of the South.

http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=5438

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/293.html

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Feb-26-Mon-2001/news/15512657.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001715.html

Great Britain was also guilty of many crimes but it managed to end slavery in its possessions thirty years before the United States did so. So slavery could have been ended without the US Constitution as written. As Thurgood Marshall wrote the Constitution was "flawed from the start".

The 14th Amendment provided equal protection under the law to all citizens. It would not have been necessary of course if some citizens hadn't been hell bent on denying this to other citizens. The ruling in Plessy v. Ferguson was a perversion of the 14th Amendment.

From where I stand, it is you, not I who need to do quite a bit of reading on American history and law. Perhaps you might start with almost anything by Derrick Bell, Lerone Bennett, Leon Higginbotham or W.E.B DuBois.

Or maybe you can just explain to me why "separate but equal" should still be the law of the land.

Make sure you think about this before responding..


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Now this is the Law of the Jungleā€”as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.