Originally Posted By: dontomasso
 Originally Posted By: olivant
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What in the hell is a racist country? Explain that. Out of the 150 million or so peole that populated America during the memphis garbage strike, how many could you have possibly known? How many could MLK have possibly known? In both cases, a handfull, right? So, how in the world can you maintain that the US is or ever was a racist country?


Well, Olivant, how much time do you have.

Lets start with slavery. Capturing human beings in Africa, forcing them on to boats, moving them across the ocean, breaking up their families, putting them up for sale and forcing them to work without pay as a national policy is in your mind not racist, I guess.

Slavery was not abolished evenin the North until well into the 1800's, by the way, so most of the old infrastructure of this country was built by African slave labor. That is not racist in your mind, I guess.

When they wrote the constitution... our beloved infallible founding fathers decided the way to count population in the various states was to count each slave as being three fifths of a human being. That is not racist in your mind, I guess.

When they wrote the "divinely inspired" bill of rights, they left out slavery, which was not abolished until the middle of the 1800's. That is not racist in your mind, I guess.

In 1896 the United States Supreme Court ruled that a person who had more than one eighth "negro blood" could be forced to ride in a restricted part of a train. That is not racist in your mind, I guess.

In 1942 American citizens, born in this country whose parents came from Japan were sumarily rounded up and placed in concentration camps without lawyers, trials or any other rights. That is not racist in your mind, I guess.

Not until 1954 did the Supreme Court of the United states rule that it was the law of the land that schools could not be segregated (which has since set off a racist based mantra against "activist judges:). That is not racist in your mind I guess.

Not until 1964....could black people stay in hotels of their choosing, go to restaurants of their choosing or even sit next to white people of their choosing as a matter of law. This is not racist in your mind, I guess.

Not until the following year were black people "allowed" to vote freely without government sanctioned poll taxes and other restrictions. That is not racist in your mind I guess.

Taking advantage of the white backlash against civil rights progress, Richard Nixon invented the "Southern Strategy," which has created a reactionary majority in presidential elections in this country since 1968...one of the more recent developments of which was George Bush's famous claim in SOuth Carlina in 2000 that John McCain was unfit to be president because he had an illegitimate black child. A lie that forced McCain to inexplicably defend the confederate flage, for which he later apologized. That is not racist in your mind I guess.

In this presidential primary Hillary Clinton, with her back to the wall, and speaking in thinly disguised code says Barak Obama may be qualified to be president but he is "unelectable." That is not racist in your mind, I guess.


Please Olivant, I think your mind is going soft from all that comedy your'e playing with that young girl.

Racism is America's "Original Sin" and it has yet to be purged.


Almost all peoples whether defined by race or ethnicity have been slaves at one time of some other race or ethnicity. What does it have to do with racism and especially as a national characteristic? The Spanish enslaved the Incas. The Turks enslaved Sicilians. The British enslaved Irish. The west African kingdoms of Benin, the Kongo, the Gold Coast, and Mali enslaved each other and Africans of the continent’s interior and facilitated their sale to others. Racism?

Pennsylvania and Massachusetts eliminated slavery in their domains in 1780 and 1781 respectively. Several other states followed soon thereafter. The Constitution wasn’t ratified until June 1788. So, what nation are you referring to as racist?

In its opinion in the 1896 case of Plessy v. Ferguson, the US Supreme Court opined that the Louisiana’s public transport segregation law satisfied the equal protection provision of the Constitution’s 14th amendment which it did. The Court did not opine on racial segregation

Prior to the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor, Japanese in the US were not interned, were they? So maybe, just maybe, their internment had something to do with national security concerns and not with racism. By the way, along with Japanese, Germans and Italians were interned also. There are plenty of sources on the subject. I guess their internment was racist also.

Without the slavery compromise embodied in the US Constitution, there would not be a US Constitution nor a US nor a civil war and slavery might just still exist in parts of America. In that case, if you are black, you might very well be a slave this day.

Since the subject of a Bill of Rights was initially proffered during he Constitutional Convention and since the success of that Convention was a function of compromise (including about slavery), it seems unlikely (even inane) to suggest that just two years later, James Madison’s composition of his 19 rights could have contained a provision regarding slavery. Even if it had, it would not have obtained the ¾ state legislatures’ approval threshold required by the Constitution.

365,000 Union soldiers gave their lives to end slavery and ensure the application of the 13th amendment in all parts of America. God knows how many others died of their War wounds not to mention those that were maimed during the War. America’s racism at work again, huh?

In its 1954 Brown v. Board of Education ruling, the Supreme Court opined that racially segregated education was inherently unequal; it didn’t opine that it was racist. That decision was the modern Court’s first use of substantive due process in forming its opinions which gives Constitutional or statutory law provisions substance which their legislative history does not support.

People of any race or ethnicity could stay in any public facility of their choice all over the north, the Midwest, and the west prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There’s no substantive historical evidence of racial or ethnic discrimination against people in those regions of the country in public facilities. So, how does racial discrimination that was largely confined to the south extrapolate to America?

The Poll Tax was imposed on all citizens when they registered to vote and in only 11 states all in the south. By 1964, only 5 of those states still retained it. America’s racism at work again?

How in the hell does a claim by a candidate for public office that a candidate has an illegitimate child of any race evidence of America's racism? How in the hell is a claim by a candidate for public office that an opponent is unelectable evidence of racism to begin with and, as you are fixated on, America’s racism?

Last edited by olivant; 04/05/08 04:45 PM.

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