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Scarface as a role model?
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07/12/04 02:44 PM
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I dont think we should have tony or anyone as our role model. We must have the courage he had, to live as we want and not copy anyone even Tony.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/12/04 03:49 PM
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Well he CAN be a role model in theory.. since he started out with absolutely nothing and turned it into a success, but his methods shouldn't be emulated in the slightest. Kind of like Vito Corleone can be a good role model if you think about it from a business point of view and ignore the criminal stuff.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/13/04 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Freddie C.: On the bonus disc, there's a whole feature on how scarface has influenced rap music.
I do like how Tony hated Castro. That is something all Cubans can agree on. Not all Cubans agree on that. Castro isn't just a bad person, like the government wants you to think. He might be a communist, but he has helped the country. When he first came into power, he gave all the peasents in the country land for crops, and stuff like that. He made sure that every child got a free education and free healthcare. He took them away from an even greater evil, Fuglencio Batista. Some Cubans may hate him, but you have to appreciate and reconize the great deeds he did for his people.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/13/04 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: Originally posted by Raulito: [b] Some Cubans may hate him, but you have to appreciate and reconize the great deeds he did for his people. What about allowing the Soviets to bring misseles into his country for them to lauch at the United States? [/b]Most Cubans do love Castro. They're taught in school to respect him and that communism is the right thing to do. Castro's intent was to eliminate poverty, and if we would've succeeded, he'd be one of the greatest men to ever rule a country. Unfortuantely, he failed. -Pat
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/13/04 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick: Most Cubans do love Castro. They're taught in school to respect him and that communism is the right thing to do. Who do you think makes them teach that in school? We all hate him.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/13/04 08:02 PM
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Getting OT but it's a proven fact that Communism is the best form of government, but also an impossibility due to human nature (i.e. nobody wants to be equal, which is what communism is all about). A communist society would be a utopia in theory because everyone would be content with what they have and work for the betterment of all rather than personal gain.. humans by nature can NEVER do this because let's face it, we're all greedy and want more money/power/etc.
Castro has done good for his country, and done bad, too. Just like Hitler (he got Germany out of their depression following WWI and most of the German people loved the guy until he went nutso), just like Stalin (umm.. sorry can't think of anything for him), hell just like that idiot GW Bush.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/13/04 08:15 PM
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Heh.. if you were Mexican or Native American you could pretty much say the same thing about the USA...
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/14/04 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by Freddie C.: Originally posted by Patrick: [b]Most Cubans do love Castro. They're taught in school to respect him and that communism is the right thing to do. Who do you think makes them teach that in school?
We all hate him. [/b]If Cubans hate Castro so much, then why didn't they help the US at the Bay of Pigs? The Cubans would've rebelled by now. -Pat
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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Originally posted by Patrick: If Cubans hate Castro so much, then why didn't they help the US at the Bay of Pigs? The Cubans would've rebelled by now. -Pat What do you mean help? I think having hundreds of Cuban-Americans storm the beach counts as "help". And I don't know how people can rebel without guns. When he took over, he made every citizen hand over their firearms. Anything else?
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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Originally posted by Freddie C.: Originally posted by Raulito: [b] Castro isn't just a bad person, like the government wants you to think. He might be a communist, but he has helped the country... Some Cubans may hate him, but you have to appreciate and reconize the great deeds he did for his people. ...fucking kidding me? Great deeds? Has helped the country? Please say you're not serious. I guess I shouldn't be surprised with this because you have a Che picture and quote. Fidel Castro and Che Guevara are both fucking assholes. And trust me, all Cubans hate both of them. [/b]If you read what i posted above, then you'll know what deeds he did. You think Che and Fidel are assholes? They are heros. They freed that country from the regime of Batista. People like you just hate Fidel because you dont even know half the story, you just listen to what they say on the news and agree with them. Not all Cubans hate them. Like I said above, Fidel gave the peasents land so that they could grow crops and make money. He gave everyone free education and healthcare. That's a great thing. Don't think all Cubans hate him. They love his spirit and his strength. I'm not Cuban, but I do believe Castro and Guevara are heroes.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/14/04 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Freddie C.: Originally posted by Patrick: [b] If Cubans hate Castro so much, then why didn't they help the US at the Bay of Pigs? The Cubans would've rebelled by now. -Pat What do you mean help? I think having hundreds of Cuban-Americans storm the beach counts as "help".
And I don't know how people can rebel without guns. When he took over, he made every citizen hand over their firearms.
Anything else? [/b]You don't need guns to over throw a government. If the people of Cuba would've rebelled during the Bay of Pigs, which according to you, they should have 'because everyone hates Castro,' then Castro wouldn't be there right now. I don't know if I'd call Che and Fidel heroes, but they're definetly not assholes. The got rid of Batista who was horrible and their goal was to make everyone equal. Unfortuantely, it didn't work. -Pat
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/14/04 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by Raulito: You think Che and Fidel are assholes? They are heros... People like you just hate Fidel because you dont even know half the story, you just listen to what they say on the news and agree with them. Not all Cubans hate them... That's a great thing. Don't think all Cubans hate him. They love his spirit and his strength. I'm not Cuban, but I do believe Castro and Guevara are heroes. I am Cuban. My father was born in Santiago de Cuba. My grandfather was there on Jan 1, 1959. I have been there and talked with family and friends. I don't know half the story? You should go there sometime. Try telling Cubans Castro and Guevara are heroes. That is the most damning statement you could make to a Cuban.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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Originally posted by Patrick: their goal was to make everyone equal. Unfortuantely, it didn't work. -Pat I assume you've seen "Scarface". Do you recall how upset Tony was talking about how he eats octopus? How they tell you what to think, what to feel? I don't see how it's unfortunate that Castro's plan didn't work. It was a shit idea to begin with.
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/14/04 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Freddie C.: Originally posted by Patrick: [b]their goal was to make everyone equal. Unfortuantely, it didn't work. -Pat I assume you've seen "Scarface". Do you recall how upset Tony was talking about how he eats octopus? How they tell you what to think, what to feel?
I don't see how it's unfortunate that Castro's plan didn't work. It was a shit idea to begin with. [/b]Scarface is a fictional character. Anyone who is under a communist is told 'what to fell and what to think.' That's what communism does. It's unfortuante that his plan didn't work because Cuba could be prospering right now with wealth. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Scarface as a role model?
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07/15/04 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Patrick: Anyone who is under a communist is told 'what to fell and what to think.' That's what communism does. It's unfortuante that his plan didn't work because Cuba could be prospering right now with wealth. -Pat Patrick, Seriously, are you a communist? If so, then there is no point in me telling you communism is a bad system. If you say you are not a communist, well guess what? You are.
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