They weren't neccesarily Clemnza's children. They could have been kids playing outside his driveway that lived on the block.

That's what I always thought.

So when Clemenza moved to Vito's house did Pentangeli get Clemenza's house, and then when he moved did Cicci get it?

No. They were taking turns keeping Lucy Mancini satisfied and helping her to raise Vincent.

When Michael said to Frankie, "I was glad you were able to keep the house after Clemenza . . ." (or words to that effect), it appears there was a chance the house could have gone to a "legitimate" owner.

As big as that house was, it would have been easy for Clemenza's wife and children to stay in the house with Frankie and his wife. As a matter of fact, who was the other woman standing next to Pentangeli's wife the day Frankie came home and found out Mike was waiting for him in the study? Clemenza's wife?

"I was glad this house never went to strangers. First, Clemenza took it over, then you." It sounds like its inhabitants had right of first refusal.

Now, let's watch the films a little more closely. Who might you first think the "woman" would be? Maybe Frankie's daughter?

You know, some get so far afield with their speculations. Maybe the Munsters lived in the house also.

Wasn't Lurch one of the guys who greeted Cicci and Frankie when they pulled up in the black Cad?

That's why I ordered the CDs so I can watch them over and over and over . . .

I personally think this is the most important issue surrounding all the Godfathers film, since it involves the changing of the guard in New York.

With all due respect, you obviously don't have a full knowledge of the procreating abilities of the older man.....

Nah the Munsters lived here

Like they say ... "The older the bull, the stiffer the horn."

The ability to procreate wasn't my point. Late life children were just rare back then, that's all.

Just ask Larry King.

Stats? Sources?

Uh, no.

Who taught Michael how to use a GUN?? Clemenza.
Who looks "teriff" out there on the dance floor? Clemenza.
Who makes the meanest pasta this side of Palermo? Clemenza.
Who saysthey should have stopped hitler in Munich? Clemenza.
Who takes a leak near the Statue of Liberty? Clemenza.
Who Garrottes Carlo? Clemenza.
Who stays loyal to the Corleones? Clemenza.
Who is the real stud in the family......???

Sonny

Pizzaboy Corleone, born in October 1959. He can be seen in the foreground of the Tahoe estate, at the end of Part II. He's being fit for a custom made, large in the crotch diaper.

That little farce he played with Vincent's mother? That never fooled a Corleone. Even Vito said it was all "comedy" that was making him soft in the head. Sonny was one of those guys who talked a lot, but at the end of the day even his widow supposedly found more happiness with Tom Hagen.

Nah its never the guys that brag... its the quiet ones...like Clemenza.

Vito

Who taught Michael how to use a GUN?? Marines
Who looks "teriff" out there on the dance floor? Clemenza.
Who makes the meanest pasta this side of Palermo? Clemenza.
Who saysthey should have stopped hitler in Munich? Clemenza.
Who takes a leak near the Statue of Liberty? Clemenza.
Who Garrottes Carlo? Clemenza.
Who stays loyal to the Corleones? Clemenza.
Who is the real stud in the family......???

Technically yes.

But Clemenza taught him how to execute two people up close with a handgun and then what to do after the execution. There's a big difference.

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Point well taken . . . takes me back to the scene during the "rug heist. . . " young Clemenza was ready to blow out the brains of that cop had he opened the door and stepped inside the house.

There's nothing in the novel or film to preclude Clemenza or anyone else from having instructed Mike in firearms use prior to his Marines experience.

Also, you notice how Tessio is used kind of second hand. He has to get the package at the gate; he drives Mike and picks him up; he's sent to pick up the cake; his regime is assigned hospital duty. There are probably a few more instances. It's surprising considering that he was with Vito right from the beginning just like Clemenza.

You wore your diapers backwards??

I can see an alternate to the scene at the end of GF when Cicci asks Tom if he can get him off the hook for old times' sake:

"It ain't the way I wanted it, Tom. 'Sent Tessio to do this...send Tessio to do that...send Tessio to drive some car, pick up a dead fish, buy a birthday cake...' "

Fredo without question!!!! Two at a time!!!!

Marines??? Maybe not, their rifle is their weapon of choice. Watch Full Metal Jacket, Sands of Iwo Jima or The DI and you see how important a rifle is to a Marine.

For sure. We Army grunts only had marshmellows to throw at the enemy. Madonne!