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the problem with part 3 is......
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There is no change of mike. They just start the movie with mike a man whose trying to change his ways. What they should have done was show the evil mike of part two (older version ofcourse)and then slowly realising that he has nothing left and tries to win it back and go legit at the same time. It would have been better. To me the godfather has been about change of the people and charachters of the movie and not showing the change of mike in part 3 (the main chrachter) was the worst in my opnion. Part 1 and 2 show chnge of mike slowly which makes them great including the acting, charachters and the themes. The godfather part 3, well everyone knows about what charachters and actors (or actress i'm talking about )that were bad but that has been talked about. So no change just ruins the movie for me (including the normal problems of part 3).
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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No, no. The world would be poorer if GFIII had not been made. It may not be to our collective satisfaction, but it was pretty good overall and it provided closure which, by the way, The Sopranos did not (for some viwers). Michael DID NOT die. He just doubled over with agita, from greasy onion rings.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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I also disagree with the original post. Mike in Part II was pretty constant throughout. And could there be a bigger change for Mike in Part III? He goes from his usual scheming self to full blown regret and death when Mary is killed.
And it's obvious that Mike had changed in the time between II and III, so we don't need to see that change on screen. It's too gradual.
No, the biggest problem with Part III is the amount of time that had passed between II and III. The script is REALLY bad in places and the direction is a tad stale in places too. Obviously, the casting is also a problem. Put Duvall in there with a small subplot about Mike and Tom's relationship and swap Sofia for Winona and I bet you'd have a MUCH, better movie, and one that is not as hated as it is, if not comparable to the original film.
But what we've got isn't all bad. I agree with Olivant... excellent closure if nothing else.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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07/06/07 11:12 AM
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The the party scene is kind of a little too verbose
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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That's my point, Olivant, there was just too much exaggeration in the helicopter attack.
Where, in the history of organized crime in America or anywhere else for that matter, has such an attack occured?
The idea of a punk like Zasa wiping out the entire commission in one fell swoop is ridiculous. And others could say that Mike wiping out the heads of the Five Families could be a little ridiculous as well. The helicopter attack was an ambitious move to say the least. And not everything in these films have to be based on real life events.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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That's my point, Olivant, there was just too much exaggeration in the helicopter attack.
Where, in the history of organized crime in America or anywhere else for that matter, has such an attack occured?
The idea of a punk like Zasa wiping out the entire commission in one fell swoop is ridiculous. And others could say that Mike wiping out the heads of the Five Families could be a little ridiculous as well. The helicopter attack was an ambitious move to say the least. And not everything in these films have to be based on real life events. Michael wiping out the heads of the 5 families was actually loosely based on the "night of the Sicilian vespers," a real life event. And while you're right, in that the movie does not have to be based on real life events, the hit on the commission could have been somewhat more realistic. A helicopter? PUH-LEEZE! Do you have any idea what it would be like getting into airspace next to the Atlantic Ocean, an international water? However, I'm not the argumentative type, so let's just agree to disagree.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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I don't think the helicopter attack was necessarily a bad idea, just the way it was executed. The "lucky coat" line was enough to ruin it for me. Oh God tell me about that line ..thats one of the things that really makes me cringe.Why the fuck did they put that in there????
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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07/08/07 10:21 AM
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They lacked money at that very time, so a Godfather sequel might be a solution.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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BTW, I watched Part III again last night and it's not getting better with repeat viewings like Part I and II. It's getting worse.
It wasn't so much that the bad scenes kept getting worse, it was that the best scenes in the film didn't get better. They were just good scenes. No depth, no complexity... just dialog.
In Parts I and II every shot, every scene and movement seemed intentional like the entire film was storyboarded before it was shot. Part III, however, feels like the script was rewritten the morning of the shoot, and in many cases, it was. Nothing seemed planned.
It's still a good movie, and a worthy ending to the trilogy, but the more and more I think about it, it really doesn't advance the story beyond Part II.
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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BTW, I watched Part III again last night and it's not getting better with repeat viewings like Part I and II. It's getting worse.
It wasn't so much that the bad scenes kept getting worse, it was that the best scenes in the film didn't get better. They were just good scenes. No depth, no complexity... just dialog.
In Parts I and II every shot, every scene and movement seemed intentional like the entire film was storyboarded before it was shot. Part III, however, feels like the script was rewritten the morning of the shoot, and in many cases, it was. Nothing seemed planned.
It's still a good movie, and a worthy ending to the trilogy, but the more and more I think about it, it really doesn't advance the story beyond Part II. Now, wait a minute. In GFIII we see Michael torn by guilt for past sins and his denouement over the death of his daughter. We see the mantle of leadership passed from him to Vinnie. We see the attempted usurptions of Altobello et al in an international context. How is that not an advance as you put it?
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Re: the problem with part 3 is......
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07/10/07 05:10 PM
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BTW, I watched Part III again last night and it's not getting better with repeat viewings like Part I and II. It's getting worse.
It wasn't so much that the bad scenes kept getting worse, it was that the best scenes in the film didn't get better. They were just good scenes. No depth, no complexity... just dialog.
In Parts I and II every shot, every scene and movement seemed intentional like the entire film was storyboarded before it was shot. Part III, however, feels like the script was rewritten the morning of the shoot, and in many cases, it was. Nothing seemed planned.
It's still a good movie, and a worthy ending to the trilogy, but the more and more I think about it, it really doesn't advance the story beyond Part II. Now, wait a minute. In GFIII we see Michael torn by guilt for past sins and his denouement over the death of his daughter. We see the mantle of leadership passed from him to Vinnie. We see the attempted usurptions of Altobello et al in an international context. How is that not an advance as you put it? Haha... I knew this would get you to respond Olivant! You're probably a bigger supporter of Part III than me now! I do agree that seeing Mike's transformation was the biggest advancement of story in Part III. But we are also left to believe that he is already regretful at the end of Part II. Mary's death was a nice touch but in the end, just another hammer on the head. We get it, Mike's made the worst decisions in his life and now he's paying for it. I guess what I am saying is, we don't get much advancement in the grand scheme of things in Part III other than Mike's guilt. That is reason alone to make a Part III IMO, but this most recent viewing just felt hollow. I remember Part III being more richer than it was when I just watched it. I don't know where that is coming from as I have always been an emphatic Part III supporter. But I just wasn't feeling it, dawg. Parts I and II felt a pure as they've always been, even better... but Part III just felt stale compared to the other films whereas in the past it's felt like a nice ending to the saga. It still is, I suppose... I guess the honeymoon stage is starting to wear off with Part III for me. And if I were to write a Part IV, sure there would be plot advancements, but in the end I keep stalling because there is little to advance the big picture other than showing the Corleone crime family being totally wiped out. And do we really need to see another movie based on that plot advancement alone?
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