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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: chigo] #378607
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And how about another question for all of you who read the novel just like me.

How come Virgil Solozzo never came to the wedding of the daughter of The Godfather where he won't be refused by his business offer?
Solozzo was Sicilian, right?

And

How come Virgil Sollozo never went to the Genco Olive Oil Office and proclaim his undying friendship? Am quite sure the Old Man would reconsider the drug business and find ways to meet Solozzo's proposal in half way.


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 Originally Posted By: chigo

How come Virgil Solozzo never came to the wedding of the daughter of The Godfather where he won't be refused by his business offer?


He wasn't invited.


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In the book, Tom knows that Vito's answer to Sollozzo will be "No", because Vito wanted the meeting to be after the wedding.


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: Sicilian Babe] #378887
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Ah yah! I remembered those! Thanks SC and Sicilian Babe!

Now I can sleep peacefully. haha! =)


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: chigo] #378915
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 Originally Posted By: chigo
Thanks for the welcome note Turnbull! I really appreciated it!

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Hmm... you're right about the unmentioned Anthony Coppola on the wake and funeral. And was it always true when the author meant of the word.. "FAMILY" does that necessarily meant "mafia" ? Clemenza has wife and kids so automatically they were called a family. And I don't know if Tessio have a wife. hmm.. I guess it was really a book that focuses on the Corleones.

And yes, I noticed those sloppy writings right after my SECOND time I read the novel. At first I was awed and magnified by the book because I saw the three films first BEFORE I read the novel.

It seems true that Mario Puzo, rest in peace, really was unsatisfied by how he have wrote the novel. Yet it was a commercial success. Hmmm... I wonder if there was something FISHY going on in The New York Times before. You know, bribing the editors, putting gun in the heads of critics just to say that the book was a good read, to boost up the morale of the book. I don't know... It was 1969 where everybody gambles and dirty business was quite rampant. And yet... and yet... I, still was surely entertained and fascinated by the book's staggering story telling.


When they write family, they mean Mafia family. Even with all its sloppiness and mistakes, it was and is one hell of a novel that I reread several times a year. E vero!


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #379006
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Puzo:Not the best writer but the greatest storyteller.


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: HalfBreed] #379412
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I wonder if castellano ever expressed any regret about not appearing in GFII.


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #379523
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I'm late to the party in this forum because...well because I just never visited here in the however-many-years I've been a member! I guess that's the beauty of this web site. I just opened another door and found another great party with some familiar faces and a few new ones as well.

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One of the reasons that the "cannoli" line is in the film may be because the woman who played Clemenza's wife was Richard Castellano's real-life girlfriend. No doubt he pressured FFC and Puzo into giving her a line of dialog ("Don't forget the cannoli"), hence Clemenza telling Rocco to take the cannoli.


Presumably, Castellano was using his clout as an established actor to wedge his girlfriend into a speaking part probably because that would bring a higher paycheck and possibly residuals which wouldn't be available for a non-speaking role. Moreover, the privilige of re-writing the dialog might also mean a screenwriting credit with more financial rewards as well. That's a smart move with financial dividends that go beyond the demand for a limousine to shuttle you around town. "You see, our people are businessmen..."

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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #382585
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Being an old fart, I was in high school when I first saw GI in Pittsburgh. (I'd actually read my father's copy of the novel first). I remember thinking when I saw Duvall in his first scene: Hey, there's that guy who's on practically every TV show. I'd never seen RAIN PEOPLE and I didn't remember his small role in BULLITT. But I did know his face from "The Wild, Wild West," "The Outer Limits," Naked City" and tons of other 60's TV series. Pacino was completely unknown to me, though I had seen ME, NATALIE. But I didn't recognize him. And my parents had a coupla LPs by Morgana King! She was a very good singer, wonderful smoky voice and knew her way around a standard.

Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #382615
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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #403835
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I was surprised when i noticed that that classic line wasn't in the novel.Mario Puzo probably added it in for the movie.It seems more likely it was him instead of FFC.Or maybe not, maybe it was FFC.


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: Turnbull] #646258
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Original geschrieben von: Turnbull
One of the reasons that the "cannoli" line is in the film may be because the woman who played Clemenza's wife was Richard Castellano's real-life girlfriend. No doubt he pressured FFC and Puzo into giving her a line of dialog ("Don't forget the cannoli"), hence Clemenza telling Rocco to take the cannoli


The "Don't forget the cannoli" line was later added in the studio to make a reference to the famous line. You don't see Clemenza's wife saying it.

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Originally Posted By: Danito
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
One of the reasons that the "cannoli" line is in the film may be because the woman who played Clemenza's wife was Richard Castellano's real-life girlfriend. No doubt he pressured FFC and Puzo into giving her a line of dialog ("Don't forget the cannoli"), hence Clemenza telling Rocco to take the cannoli


The "Don't forget the cannoli" line was later added in the studio to make a reference to the famous line. You don't see Clemenza's wife saying it.


Her cannoli line is not stated on-screen? But you actually see her ask Clemenza when he will be home?


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Re: "Leave the gun, take the cannoli." [Re: olivant] #646383
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Original geschrieben von: olivant
Original geschrieben von: Danito
Original geschrieben von: Turnbull
One of the reasons that the "cannoli" line is in the film may be because the woman who played Clemenza's wife was Richard Castellano's real-life girlfriend. No doubt he pressured FFC and Puzo into giving her a line of dialog ("Don't forget the cannoli"), hence Clemenza telling Rocco to take the cannoli


The "Don't forget the cannoli" line was later added in the studio to make a reference to the famous line. You don't see Clemenza's wife saying it.


Her cannoli line is not stated on-screen? But you actually see her ask Clemenza when he will be home?


Yes, that's right.

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