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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Don Cardi] #394740
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
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Ahh... but Pacino brings Donnie to his boss.... so someone could have planted Carlo to be found by Sonny... which leads to bringing him home to meet Connie.



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Yeah ... that was it... no more on that one... just a "you never know" LOL


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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: ScarFather] #394793
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Yeah, you never know. I never knew, until this day, that it was Connie all along!



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Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.




Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Don Cardi] #394860
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Yeah, you never know. I never knew, until this day, that it was Connie all along!


...and Tom as a 12-year-old "plant..." ;\)


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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Turnbull] #394941
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Your discussion has reminded me of Vito's refusal to give Carlo some position in the family business.
How could Vito perceive the possible treachery from Carlo if he were given any important position?


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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Don Cardi] #394947
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

Yes, Tom does garner sympathy from the viewer at times, as did Sonny and Vito. But he, just like them, was a stone cold murderer, despite the demeanor that he displays in most of both movies.


Aside from his obvious condoning and facilitating of murder, did Tom actually murder anyone? Did he ever make his bones or did the Don just bring him in do you think?


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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Raymondo Corleone] #394967
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I don't believe that Tom ever murdered anyone by his own hand.

Vito would have never allowed that because it could have implications down the road and effect Tom's stature as a lawyer.
Vito never influenced Tom to come into the family business. Vito supported Tom's decision to go to law school and when he was done it was Tom who asked Vito if he could work in the Corleone family business.

Remember what Vito told Tom about a lawyer with one briefcase? ;\)



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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Don Cardi] #394980
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Vito would have never allowed that because it could have implications down the road and affect Tom's stature as a lawyer.


That's a good point. I can't really imagine him killing anyone directly, which is strange considering how much blood he must have on his hands indirectly.


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Re: Tom gets a pass? [Re: Don Cardi] #394998
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Vito would have never allowed that because it could have implications down the road and effect Tom's stature as a lawyer.

Exactly, DC! And, under Michael's Donship, he needed Tom to be "legit" and "clean" to represent the family in Nevada and advance Michael's quest for "legitimacy." We tend to think of Tom's being "out" as consigliere as a punishment for not being a "wartime consigliere...things could get rough." In fact, he needed to be unconnected to the rough stuff so he could be untainted when he represented the family at gaming license hearings, etc.


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