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U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/22/06 05:17 PM
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Is this wrong? ^^^ Should they be allowed to come to England and then wear there full veils like this? ^^^ Many people have debated over whether they should be allowed or not. It has gotton so bad, here in the u.k - veils forcefully being pulled off of muslim women and the muslim individuals badly beaten up by thugs. Please post your thoughts on this topic and what you think. But please don't post anything that is offensive. Thanks Read the whole story here >>>>>> The Debate...
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/22/06 05:54 PM
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This makes me realize another point.
DMC is rightwing. In my country, and it can be generalized to the whole of Europe, most rightwing people are against religious symbols. No, that's not totally true, they are especially against women wearing muslim symbols. In Belgium there were cases of fired teachers and expelled students because they wore a shawl around their head (religious Musliml symbol). And there were law prepositions, asking for an entire 'no' to those kind of religious symbols.
But DMC, a rightwing American is not against them. This is a fine example of how culture and country matter for your political views, IMO.
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/22/06 06:11 PM
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Ok, but you are saying even though they haven't done anything wrong that the government should step in and tell them they have to disrespect themselves and their religion.
So does that mean that you want your government to step in for the protection of everyone? Do you think these women who refuse to not take off their veils should be deported back to their country of origin? Is this to me? All I was saying that the things I mentioned, are, in fact, happening, and that a considerable amount of people, and political partys want to forbid religious symbols at work or in school. I myself am against forbidding that, but it happening, and maybe legal in the (near) future.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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I think that it's there religion and there life, so therefore they can wear it. But there should be some rules, as to where they should wear it for e.g. Not in schools, maybe even public - buses etc. Oh, ok. I think that it would also be cool if they could only wear them in their houses, during the half-time of Monday Night Football. Good, that's one religion down and surpressed. Next week, we'll find ways to get the Jews out of Yankee Stadium. Now onto our next order of business, ladies and gentlemen; How do we kill Superman?
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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Ok, but you are saying even though they haven't done anything wrong that the government should step in and tell them they have to disrespect themselves and their religion.
So does that mean that you want your government to step in for the protection of everyone? Do you think these women who refuse to not take off their veils should be deported back to their country of origin? Is this to me? All I was saying that the things I mentioned, are, in fact, happening, and that a considerable amount of people, and political partys want to forbid religious symbols at work or in school. I myself am against forbidding that, but it happening, and maybe legal in the (near) future. No that wasn't intended for you, it was for De Niro's Sister lol
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/22/06 06:31 PM
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Maybe the UK has a totally different take on this than the U.S. I don't know. I don't see where there should be a problem. I'll admit to not knowing much at all about this religion, but I can respect it like any other legitimate religion. We have students at my school who are/were celebrating "Ramadan"(I think that's the holiday) (sp) The girls have had their veils (most have not the full veils however, but their heads are covered) and nobody questions it; All these students, both male/female are fasting and excused from PE (physical exercise and lack of nourishment = health concerns)and become teacher assistants, work in the computer lab or other things designated by the admnistration, for this period. I'm surprised that there are actually riots over this issue. TIS
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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hmmm... well.
I don't think that i'd be too jolly about having a teacher like this, however if she maybe took the veil off i'd be much happier. I think that it's there religion and there life, so therefore they can wear it. But there should be some rules, as to where they should wear it for e.g. Not in schools, maybe even public - buses etc. Why shouldn't they be allowed to wear it in public, in schools or even buses? If the government of ANY nation were allowed to make rules on these religious matters, they would be one step away from Nazism. If their religious beliefs require them to wear a berka, then that religious belief should not affect their getting a job as a teacher. That's discrimination as far as I'm concerned. Just imagine if a government was allowed to tell a Muslim that they are not allowed to wear a berka ( I think I'm saying it correctly) in public. The next thing would be that they would forbid hasidic Jews from walking around in public, and before you know it they'd be telling Christian people that they are not allowed to wear a cross around their neck when in public! So in my opinion when it comes to religious beliefs and what a religion requires a follower to wear, there is NO difference if your a Hasidic Jew, a Christian or a Muslim. To quote our late friend Plawrence, allowing the government to intercede and make rules about religion is like taking a walk on "The Slippery Slope." Don Cardi
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/23/06 08:27 AM
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What are the reasons for them not to? Like, what argument is the Government using? I've been living in a hole of ignorance for a month now; I know nothing of the "news" in general.
Please, convince me (anybody), without referring to Terrorism, why not allowing these Muslim women to wear veils is a good idea. The idea is that a lot of European countries want a very strict separation between Church and State, religion in private and in public/work. In short: no religious symbols at work/school. In reality: Muslims women can't wear their Burka's. Reason: a lot of anti immigrant (and especially Muslim) feelings. And most companies, entreprises want to maintain neutral at all time. They think that if there are Muslim employees wearing a burka, that members of other religions will be offended or whatsoever. Another argument of those in favour of forbidding, is that these burka women don't even want to wear them; that their husbands oblige them to; and that by forbidding burka's/head shawls, they are helping Muslim women.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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They think that if there are Muslim employees wearing a burka, that members of other religions will be offended or whatsoever.
Weak arguement, very weak arguement. Just because someone may be offended by the wearing of something that symbolizes anopther person's religious beliefs. or the wearing of something that is required to be worn by that religion, does not make that a valid reason for banning the wearing of a religious symbol or clothing. That person is not forcing someone else to wear their religion's symbol or required garb. They are wearing it on themselves, which to me, does not impose on or offend someone else. And as far as the woman not wanting to wear the burka (thank you for the correct spelling btw), that may be true on some cases, but it is not neccesarily true in All cases. Seperation of church and state does not mean that a person should not be allowed to wear something that is required by their religion. It was meant to cease the federal government from making decisions and laws that dictate religious practices and establishments, to prohibit the government from forcing the people to practice and believe in a specific religion of the government's choosing. It was meant to provide the right to people to practice and believe in any religion that they desire. If you feel this way about banning the wearing of a Burka in public, then should they also ban the wearing of a Yarmukah or star of David by a Jew, a cross or a charm of a saint by a Christian? Don Cardi
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Re: U.K Race Riot - Should They?
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10/23/06 08:54 AM
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And as far as the woman not wanting to wear the burka (thank you for the correct spelling btw), that may be true on some cases, but it is not neccesarily true in All cases. You're welcome about the spelling. I have to say it regularly just is true in Europe that immigrant Muslim women are forced into wearing clothing they don't want. But of course not in all cases, like you say. If you feel this way about banning the wearing of a Burka in public, then should they also ban the wearing of a Yarmukah or star of David by a Jew, a cross or a charm of a saint by a Christian? Yep, that's what a considerable part of Belgian (European) right wing people and parties want, prohibiting the wearing of religious symbols in public. Again, to leave out all misunderstandings, these are not my views, I was just giving the arguments of those people.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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