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Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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I mean, I always found her to be rather overweight and not very pretty.
For a one-time fling at Connie's wedding, OK. But as a full-time mistress?
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: isn't there something in the book that addresses Sonny enjoying Lucy because of her being one of the few woman that he did not have to "take it easy" with because of her being able to handle his size? I just looked through the book and couldn't find a passage like the one you describe, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. Perhaps JustMe will help us out. I think she has the book pretty much memorized. But it certainly makes sense, and even if the book doesn't spell it out, that's sound reasoning on your part, DC. Which just goes to prove that "Looks aren't everything."
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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I don't know, but to me she looked much more attractive in her slip, from the "save it for the liberry" scene, than she did in her bridesmaid's dress. Although Sonny could've had other women (and there's nothing to say that he didn't), maybe she was convenient. She was a friend of the familly, so they knew one another beforehand. She knew what he was, she knew that he was married, she was very undemanding, and, according to the book, she adored him. Adoration can go a long way.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Sicilian Babe: to me she looked much more attractive in her slip, from the "save it for the liberry" scene, than she did in her bridesmaid's dress. Very true. She had kind of a "pouty" look in that scene. And I can't say that I've ever seen any woman look good in a bridemaids dress.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by plawrence: Originally posted by Sicilian Babe: [b] to me she looked much more attractive in her slip, from the "save it for the liberry" scene, than she did in her bridesmaid's dress. Very true. She had kind of a "pouty" look in that scene.
And I can't say that I've ever seen any woman look good in a bridemaids dress. [/b]God, that's so true!! And I've had to wear a ton of them over the years! Ruffles, bows, poofy skirts, and so on. However, in Lucy's case, I think what was under the gown was more important to Sonny.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Turnbull: The novel doesn't say that....he made it with her after the wedding Uh-oh. Turnbull is slipping. I hope it's not from some comedy he's playing with a young girl. Sure it says they made it after the wedding. P. 239, 30th anniversary edition, the scene before he goes to see Connie, sees how Carlo has beaten her up, and goes and beats Carlo up.... Sonny Corleone had left the protection of the mall and spent the night with Lucy Mancini in town P. 302, when we are introduced to Dr. Jules for the first time.... Sonny had visited her once a week, sometimes more, never less
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Turnbull: a) According to the book, Lucy had two affairs in college that didn't do anything for her. Her second lover complained about her being "too big down there." She was Connie's best friend. While hanging around Connie, she heard Sonny's wife describing his size. Lucy got the idea that Sonny could accommodate her--that he would be the one man who wouldn't be put off by her own size. And the affair was convenient while she was hanging around Connie. As for Sonny: He was probably attracted by Lucy coming on to him--it'd appeal to his machismo. The novel doesn't say that Lucy was fat; b) that she was his exclusive extra-marital squeeze; or c) that he made it with her after the wedding, although we might infer that from her yearning after Sonny after his death. The NYC liaison with Lucy was a creation of the film, and merely served to make a transition to Sonny's beating of Carlo. I doubt she was Sonny's only extramarital squeeze. In the film, anyway, Sonny tells Teresa to "watch the kids," and she warns him to "watch yourself." Obviously she knew of Sonny's proclivities.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: By the way, plawrence...I have express admiration for the way you seem to be initiating topics today. One would almost think you're making a concerted effort to drum up relevant discussion ! As opposed to...... What? Defending my love of the Gangster BB against the nattering nabobs of negativity? But I suppose coming from you I just received high praise.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by plawrence: [QUOTE]..I suppose coming from you I just received high praise. Actually...yes you just did !! Apple
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by plawrence: Perhaps JustMe will help us out. I think she has the book pretty much memorized.
You flatter me, Plaw. (BTW, where's your input in the quotation game???) The description of their relationship with Lucy is in chapter 22, it never says something like that exactly, just that it was a "lusty passion for each other." Book never says too that she was not good looking. In the end there's a passage in which Fontane sort of admires her looks. And there's one more mention about the comedy he was playing - when they meet with the Don before meeting Solozzo. Tom looks at his sleepless appearance and thinks "He must be humping that maid of honor still."
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by plawrence: Originally posted by Turnbull: [b]The novel doesn't say that....he made it with her after the wedding Uh-oh. Turnbull is slipping. I hope it's not from some comedy he's playing with a young girl.
[/b]Some of us read the Wall Street Journal every day, others read the gossip columns in the Post and Duh Noose...
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Don Smitty: Remember in GF2 when the young Vito is at the play with I think Tessio and Tessio's girlfriend is on stage and Tessio says to Vito "Look at her isn't she beautiful" and Vito says to him, "Yes she is, but their is only one woman for me." Vito was very dedicated to his wife and his marriage. I think Vito looked down at Sonny for not being faithful to his wife. Vito knew Sonny was cheating on his wife at his daughters wedding and I think he was very upset with Sonny for this.
DS There is no question that Vito was very upset with Sonny for his bedroom antics. Vito was an old fashioned husband and a dedicated husband. I think that there were many reasons why Vito was so dedicated to his wife. Being a young boy who lost his father, brother and then his mother, he appreciated family and held family values in very high esteem. But to say that he "looked down" on Sonny is pretty harsh. Being a parent yourself, think about it; if your child does something that you don't approve of and feel that they have done wrong, you NEVER "look down" on your child. you may get angry, sad and dissapointed, but you wouldn't look down on them. Don Cardi
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: Originally posted by Don Smitty: [b] Remember in GF2 when the young Vito is at the play with I think Tessio and Tessio's girlfriend is on stage and Tessio says to Vito "Look at her isn't she beautiful" and Vito says to him, "Yes she is, but their is only one woman for me." Vito was very dedicated to his wife and his marriage. I think Vito looked down at Sonny for not being faithful to his wife. Vito knew Sonny was cheating on his wife at his daughters wedding and I think he was very upset with Sonny for this.
DS There is no question that Vito was very upset with Sonny for his bedroom antics. Vito was an old fashioned husband and a dedicated husband. I think that there were many reasons why Vito was so dedicated to his wife. Being a young boy who lost his father, brother and then his mother, he appreciated family and held family values in very high esteem. But to say that he "looked down" on Sonny is pretty harsh. Being a parent yourself, think about it; if your child does something that you don't approve of and feel that they have done wrong, you NEVER "look down" on your child. you may get angry, sad and dissapointed, but you wouldn't look down on them.
Don Cardi [/b]I Shouldn't have used the word Look Down to describe Vito's feelings toward Sonny, I did mean angry and sad. Just a misunderstanding.. DS
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: Originally posted by Don Smitty: [b] Remember in GF2 when the young Vito is at the play with I think Tessio and Tessio's girlfriend is on stage and Tessio says to Vito "Look at her isn't she beautiful" and Vito says to him, "Yes she is, but their is only one woman for me." Vito was very dedicated to his wife and his marriage. I think Vito looked down at Sonny for not being faithful to his wife. Vito knew Sonny was cheating on his wife at his daughters wedding and I think he was very upset with Sonny for this.
DS There is no question that Vito was very upset with Sonny for his bedroom antics. Vito was an old fashioned husband and a dedicated husband. I think that there were many reasons why Vito was so dedicated to his wife. Being a young boy who lost his father, brother and then his mother, he appreciated family and held family values in very high esteem. But to say that he "looked down" on Sonny is pretty harsh. Being a parent yourself, think about it; if your child does something that you don't approve of and feel that they have done wrong, you NEVER "look down" on your child. you may get angry, sad and dissapointed, but you wouldn't look down on them.
Don Cardi [/b]DC that is something about Vito's character that I didn't like. He was a family man etc.. but his daughter was being abused by her husband and he didn't step in. "You don't get between a husband and wife" or something like that he says to Sonny- that line I really didn't like.
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Re: Couldn't Sonny have Done better Than Lucy?
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Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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