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Abbandando
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04/14/05 01:18 PM
04/14/05 01:18 PM
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This is the name of the public relations flak who is handing out press kits at the party in GFIII, and who also is in Rome keeping up on the Pope's health.
This is the same surname of the family which owned the grocery store where young Vito worked, and presumably the son of that grocer was Genco Abbandando, the Don's consigliere. I have two questions (Im counting on ya Turnbull)
Is this Abbandando Genco's son or grandson? He would seem to be too young to be a son, because Genco's children would be the same ages as the Corleones of Mikes generation.
Also, was there any reason given for the deletion of the Genco's deathbed scene from the GF movie. There is a poignant interchange between Michael and the Don in there.
"Io sono stanco, sono imbigliato, and I wan't everyone here to know, there ain't gonna be no trouble from me..Don Corleone..Cicc' a port!"
"I stood in the courtroom like a fool."
"I am Constanza: Lord of the idiots."
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Re: Abbandando
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04/14/05 01:46 PM
04/14/05 01:46 PM
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Moscarelli
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I believe that Abbandando is Genco's grandson. I am pretty sure that he is Michael's godson.
As for the deleted scene, it wasn't as important as the other scenes. Yes, it was poignant and would have increased the story, but the film had to be cut down and so they were forced to delete some good scenes. I especially like the ones focusing on Sonny after Vito is shot. It was great character development for Sonny that I think the film needed.
"The toe you stepped on yesterday may be attached to the ass you have to kiss today." -Former Mayor of Providence, RI, Vincent "Buddy" Cianci
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Re: Abbandando
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04/14/05 03:10 PM
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IMO, the Genco deathbed scene was the most important of the deleted scenes. It started with the Don and Michael waiting to be driven to the hospital. The cool feelings twixt the Don and Michael are set in this part when the Don asks Michael if his "American girlfriend" got home ok, then rolls his eyes to show his disapproval. Then he dismisses Michael's medals as "Christmas ribbons" and remarks, scornfully, "What miracles you perform for strangers." The Genco deathbed scene itself tells us a lot about peoples' expectations of the Don, and also sets the stage for Tom's ascension as consigliere. Of the two Fabrizio death scenes, the car bombing was a deleted scene included with the DVD extras disc and in the spliced-for-TV "Saga." The scene where Michael kills Fabrizio has never been shown in any version.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Abbandando
#27768
04/14/05 04:12 PM
04/14/05 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: IMO, the Genco deathbed scene was the most important of the deleted scenes. It started with the Don and Michael waiting to be driven to the hospital. The cool feelings twixt the Don and Michael are set in this part when the Don asks Michael if his "American girlfriend" got home ok, then rolls his eyes to show his disapproval. Then he dismisses Michael's medals as "Christmas ribbons" and remarks, scornfully, "What miracles you perform for strangers." The Genco deathbed scene itself tells us a lot about peoples' expectations of the Don, and also sets the stage for Tom's ascension as consigliere. I understand the length of GFI was an issue, but I think this scene is too important to have left on the cutting room floor. Turnbull is right on - we get so much information out of this scene. Without having read the novel, the viewer doesn't know the degree in which Michael wants to distance himself from his father's business. What we see "That's my family, Kay, it's not me" is rather vague without the Genco scene. With the Genco scene, the point of how Michael had a completely different life planned is reinforced with the flashback book-end scene of GFII in which Michael joins the Marines. And I think leaving the scene in would have made the part in III where Anthony said, "I will always be your son. But I will never have anything to do with your business" much more resonant.
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Re: Abbandando
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04/14/05 04:41 PM
04/14/05 04:41 PM
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Moscarelli
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I also found it a little odd on my first viewing of The Godfather when Tom and Sonny are in a fight and Sonny yells something like "Pop had Genco and I have you!" It caused some confusion and I didn't get it until I actually read the book.
"The toe you stepped on yesterday may be attached to the ass you have to kiss today." -Former Mayor of Providence, RI, Vincent "Buddy" Cianci
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Re: Abbandando
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04/15/05 02:38 AM
04/15/05 02:38 AM
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Genco was Abbandando's son. In the scene where Fanucci is telling Abbandando that he must hire Fanucci's nephew, Genco is sitting with Vito having lunch or something to eat. He says something to Vito about "Fanucci is demanding more money--even from my FATHER." So, Genco is Abbandando's son, not grandson.
~~ Lollie
"Sono una roccia; Sono un'isola...una roccia non ritiene dolore; un'isola non grida mai."
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Re: Abbandando
#27772
04/15/05 09:46 AM
04/15/05 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by dontomasso: The Abbabdando to whom I am referring is the character named Abbandando in GF III. He is the PR flak handing out press kits at the party in the Manhattan apartment. That was Genco's son (according to "The Godfather Legacy"). That should have made him ABOUT the same age as Michael (but he appeared to be younger). His role was as Michael's public relations director. BTW - The actor who portrayed him, Don Novello, is the same guy who used to play Father Guido Sarducci on "Saturday Night Live".
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Re: Abbandando
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04/17/05 11:54 AM
04/17/05 11:54 AM
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Moscarelli
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Originally posted by Peter_Clemenza: I believe Genco Abbandando didn't have a son. Now, why would you say that? You see very little of Genco, there is no way that you could possibly come to the conclusion. SC is right, Genco did have a son, Dominick, played by Don Novello.
"The toe you stepped on yesterday may be attached to the ass you have to kiss today." -Former Mayor of Providence, RI, Vincent "Buddy" Cianci
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Re: Abbandando
#27775
04/17/05 11:59 AM
04/17/05 11:59 AM
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Don Andrew
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Originally posted by Moscarelli: I believe that Abbandando is Genco's grandson. I am pretty sure that he is Michael's godson. He is probably Genco's son, but Michael Rizzi, Connie's son, is Michael's godson. " Michael Francis Rizzi, will you be baptized? " " I will. "
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Re: Abbandando
#27776
04/17/05 03:24 PM
04/17/05 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Moscarelli: Originally posted by Peter_Clemenza: [b] I believe Genco Abbandando didn't have a son. Now, why would you say that? You see very little of Genco, there is no way that you could possibly come to the conclusion. SC is right, Genco did have a son, Dominick, played by Don Novello. [/b]I think P_C was right in his own way, referring to the novel Genco had three daughters. But FFC is so creative... After all what is a mere written fact? What a bit in eternity. For example he resurrected Calo, who was officially dead with Apollonia.
keep your mouth shut, and your eyes open.
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Re: Abbandando
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04/17/05 04:17 PM
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Moscarelli
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Originally posted by JustMe: Originally posted by Moscarelli: [b] Originally posted by Peter_Clemenza: [b] I believe Genco Abbandando didn't have a son. Now, why would you say that? You see very little of Genco, there is no way that you could possibly come to the conclusion. SC is right, Genco did have a son, Dominick, played by Don Novello. [/b] I think P_C was right in his own way, referring to the novel Genco had three daughters. But FFC is so creative... After all what is a mere written fact? What a bit in eternity. For example he resurrected Calo, who was officially dead with Apollonia. [/b]Does it really matter is Calo lived or not? To be honest, my greatest dissapointment with Coppola is inventing Vincent Mancini who was never mentioned in the book . But, I really would hate to make this another Godfather III topic or even one open to debate...
"The toe you stepped on yesterday may be attached to the ass you have to kiss today." -Former Mayor of Providence, RI, Vincent "Buddy" Cianci
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Re: Abbandando
#27778
04/18/05 08:39 AM
04/18/05 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Moscarelli: Does it really matter is Calo lived or not? Sure it doesn't. Nothing matters. Calo wouldn't agree with it, though... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Moscarelli: <strong> To be honest, my greatest dissapointment with Coppola is inventing Vincent Mancini who was never mentioned in the book . But, I really would hate to make this another Godfather III topic or even one open to debate...
keep your mouth shut, and your eyes open.
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Re: Abbandando
#27785
04/18/05 03:11 PM
04/18/05 03:11 PM
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goombah
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Originally posted by Partagas: Originally posted by JustMe: [b] In the book he didn't take only biological sons with him, but also Johnny Fontaine. Yeah you are right. I forgot about that. So am I making too big of a deal about Tom NOT being there? I know he had to take off to California, but surely he could have got a different flight. [/b]I can't remember whether it was the movie, the novel, or both, but Vito wanted to settle "this business for Johnny right away (emphasis added).. If Vito wanted Tom to pay his respects to Genco, then Vito would have stated so specifically.
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