i figured you woud say as much irishmen

Well please tell me what's so great about Doug Mirabelli other than the fact that he can catch a knuckleball pitcher

What I meant was you have trouble admitting your team is flawed. If they lose you find something to complain about. I agree the Mirabelli thing was ridiculous but that had nothing to do with the game and what happend.

I don't have trouble saying the Yankees are flawed. EVERY team in MLB is flawed in 1 way or another, even the defending World Series Champions, the Chicago White Sox. I know the Yankees pitching is sucking it up right now. But again, it's not even 30 games into the season yet :p

So again who can they trade to get someone? I don't think they have anyone.

All the Yankees need to be considered the heavy favorite to win their division, IMO, is another solid and reliable starting pitcher, and, like every other team in the majors, they have several solid prospects to use as trade bait.

They could pry Dontrelle Willis away from the Marlins and, although I expect Oakland to contend, if they don't they might be able to get Zito away from the A's.

Hey statman you really think the Yankees have prospects to trade away? I looked at MiLB.com for most recent Top 50 Prospects. Your bombers only have 1 and if memory serves he was in the 40's and he was a pitcher. Don't even tell me that teams are willing to trade for that.

Hanley Ramirez who is in the Top 10 of that list was traded for Josh Beckett. You can shove Chien-Meng Wang to the minors that guy is 1-7 when the Yankees don't score 6 runs. So don't tell me they can package 2 or 3 guys for a player like Zito or Willis!

I'm guessing the Yanks kill the ball in a historic way. It may carry them to the playoffs it may not. I feel the AL as a whole is full of talented teams, I think the A's, Indians, White Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox have great teams and could beat any of the other in a series. The Rangers, Twins, are legit. The Tigers are playing well but I can't say for sure. What I mean is teams are gonna get beat up more than usual.

This will all change at the Trade Deadline when teams aquire other talent. The Red Sox are loaded with prospects to pick up someone very talented like a Zito or Willis. I don't want to see them do this however b/c these prospects are really to good to let go.

Hope we can get this game in tonight, Halladay vs Beckett would be great.

First of all, they're not "my Bombers" :rolleyes:

I'm far from a Yankee fan. I merely look at things objectively rather than through the tinted glasses of "Homerism" and "FAN-atacism".

As I just wrote

"like every other team in the majors, they have several solid prospects to use as trade bait."

That doesn't mean that I think the Yanks will automatically be the favorites to acquire Willis or Zito, or that they have the best prospects available to do so.

It means that they, along with any number of other teams, have the potential to pick up either one, depending on what they are willing to offer.

And again as I've said they have Wang, Chacon, Cano, Philips, Hughes, etc. And let us NOT forget that they don't need prospects to sign Clemens (which as plaw said, all they need is another solid starter to seriously contend for the title). All they need is money, and we all know they have plenty of it!

Lets start with Statman. You act like just because teams have minor league players they will automatically be able to get a good player. You think the Yankees have prospects to get a Zito or Willis? well live up to your nick name plawrence show me some STATS that proves the Marlins or the A's would trade their guys.
As for you Irishmen I expect little out of you. Did you not read my post!? I'll say it louder. WANG SUCKS HE IS 1-7 WHEN THEY YANKEES DON'T SCORE ATLEAST 6 RUNS!!! do you know what that means? i'll explain it, it means that if the Yankees score 5 runs or less they LOSE 7 out of 8 times when WANG is on the mound.
Here is another one, YOU HAVE NO GOOD PROSPECTS only one in the TOP 50. As for Clemens. Houston will get him, they just offered him $12 million for 4 months of work. So forget about it.
-Irishmen come back with something next time, please. I get tired of typing the same thing.

It helps.

A top 50 of what? Some schmucky website?

Yea real shumky? website. It was MiLB.com The offical Web site for Minor league baseball. Check it out.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/news/top50/y2006.jsp?content=1

-I would like to add that I was wrong in my earlier post of Hanley Ramirez he is actually ranked in the low 30's and not in the top 10 as I said before.

"Homer"
Noun
def. - Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.

"That guy is a total Red Sox homer, they haven't done anything good all season!"

Again, top 50 of what? It could be on CNN, NBC, WWE, MSNBC, BBC, ABC, CBS, NRA, etc. for all that I could care. It's just opinions.

I posted the site check it out. Or be in denial.

It's ok, I expect even less outta you. I mean, you're a boston fan, right? So you're basing Wang on a couple of outting thus far this year. So I guess we can cancel Doug Mirabeli off of our MVP lists because he didn't have ONE good game against the Yanks?? And as you so convinently failed to do was notice the OTHER prospects I had listed above :rolleyes: But no, for some reason (probably because YOU think it makes your argument "stronger") you focus on one guy in Wang. Who's boston got that's so incredibly on fire that Florida will just hand over Willis or Oakland Zito? Let's seem them STATSBOY. They better be in the top 50 of they don't "count"

I don't have to show you any "STATS" to make my point here, which you seemingly are missing.

It's not a question of which team has the best prospects.

The Yankees may have the best, they may have the second best, they may have the 15th best, or they may have the worst.

Same thing for Boston, but it doesn't make any difference.

The question is "Which team is willing to offer the most for a pitcher like Zito or Willis?"

If the Marlins are determined to get rid of Willis in a salary dump, it doesn't matter if the Yankees have better prospects in their system or if the Red Sox do.

If the Red Sox don't offer prospects who are as good as those that the Yankees are offering, then Florida will make a deal with the Yankees, or whichever team is making them the best offer.

If the Red Sox have the best prospects in the world but aren't offering them, and the Yankees have the 20th best prospects in the world but are offering them, and those prospects are better than those being offered by any other team, then if Florida is determined to dump Willis they are gonna make a deal with the Yankees.

I'm not arguing which team has the better prospects here - that's not the issue. All teams have players in their system who are considered bona fide major league caliber prospects.

The issue is what are they willing to give up.

Look at the Mets. There was speculation about them trading Lastings Milledge for Zito.

I have a feeling that Oakland would grab that deal in a second, but I don't think that the Mets are gonna offer them Lastings Milledge for Zito.

Milledge may very well be a better prospect than anyone the Yankees or the Red Sox have, but what difference does that make if the Mets aren't offering him?

The Yankees have shown historically that they are not afraid to deal players who are considered their top prospects for players who can help them win now.

If the prospects that the Yankees offer are better than those that the Red Sox are offering, then if the Red Sox have better prospects that they are NOT offering, it doesn't matter.

Be in denial of what, may I ask? This from the guy who says that the Red Sox are the deepest team in Major League Baseball?

So in your opinion Plawrence the Yankees can get Zito or Willis simply by offering anything? If their prospects aren't any good or worth the value of a Zito or Willis why would Florida or Oakland do it? I understand your point that if they offer something decent and better than another team, however I don't think the Yankees have anyone to trade. Peter Gammons mentioned their farm system as being very weak in Spring Training.

"It's ok, I expect even less outta you. I mean, you're a boston fan, right? So you're basing Wang on a couple of outting thus far this year. So I guess we can cancel Doug Mirabeli off of our MVP lists because he didn't have ONE good game against the Yanks?? And as you so convinently failed to do was notice the OTHER prospects I had listed above But no, for some reason (probably because YOU think it makes your argument "stronger") you focus on one guy in Wang. Who's boston got that's so incredibly on fire that Florida will just hand over Willis or Oakland Zito? Let's seem them STATSBOY. They better be in the top 50 of they don't "count"

Your really hamper on Doug Mirabelli uh? A couple of outings with Wang? His career numbers are 1-7 when they Yankees don't score 6 runs. Check it, if you don't believe me its true. The prospects you mentioned before? yea I remember them but they don't amount a lot, seriously. Ask yourself if you were in Florida or Oaklands shoes, would you make a deal for some of the guys on the Yankees?

You really want to know who the Red Sox have in their minor leagues? Jon Lester, Craig Hansen to name a few of their Top Guys. I gave you the website to check it out so here it is for the last time -MiLB.COM- you got that buddy thats M as for March, i is for Innings, L is for Loser, B is for Bat . com. You can do it.

No, that is not at all what I said.

What I did say was - paraphrasing here - that if the Marlins (or the A's) were determined to unload Willis (or Zito) in a salary dump, and if the prospects that the Yankees offered were better than those offered by another team, then they would make a deal with the Yankees.

Nowhere did I say that the Yankees could acquire Willis or Zito "simply by offering anything."

If the prospects that the Yankees offer are so weak that another team can make a better offer if they choose to, then obviously the Marlins or A's will make a deal with them, not the Yanks.

Whether or not the Yankees do have prospects who are good enough to make the deal, and whether or not the Yankees are willing to offer those prospects remains to be seen.

But I think that Duncan and Wang and maybe another mid-level prospect or two to get Willis might work for Florida, depending upon what other teams offer.

So i guess were gonna agree to disagree. I don't think the Yankees have prospects and you do. So lets end this cause it can go back forth for a while.

What exactly did I say that you disagree with?

In my opinion the Yankees don't have anything that they could give up to get guys like a Willis or Zito. It doesn't matter what they offer or how much it won't be enough in my opinion.

Fair enough.

I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was saying.

And your really hampering on Wang, so what's your point? And as for your question, if I were Florida or Oakland, YES I would make a deal with the Yankees. Better to get Cano, Wang, Hughes or any of the other guys listed above instead of lossing Zito or Willis to free agency (not sure when Dontrelle is up but Zito is this coming winter). But to get something than nothing brother

Well Irishmen I see your point and it makes sense. My feeling is that another team will offer more. Went to the game last night against the O's man they suck! If you think back to when they got Tejada in my opinion that is when I thought they were on the rise. Now they don't seem to be going anywhere.

and you are basing Wang on what??? a couple of outings last year. this guy is not worth a dime. I'll repeat myself, I think he's a #5 Yankees starter at his best, IF he avoid a total shame. I just can not understand how Yankee fans still illude themselves with Wang, Small and Chacon. well, actually, I do understand...

are you talking about Wang, Chacon, Cano, Phillips and Hughes??? this might be the list of the worst prospects in baseball.

now calm down Irish, I'm not totally against you. :p is just that a Yankees fan and a Red Sox fan have different views about baseball from the rest of the world. that's what I mean when I said "well, actually, I do understand..." above. if Wang or Chacon or Small or Cano were on the Red Sox, you'd laugh at them and say they were the worst players on earth.

Lets get ready for tomorrow boys were headed to NY. It's time we shoot them in the belly, spill their guts, were gunna murder those lousy Yankees bastards, by the bushle. Were gunna use their guts to grease the treads of our tanks and ride them out till we clinch that AL East title! LETS GO SOX!

Looks like the Sox came to play tonight. Beckett was really good 10k's! Not to mention the "Big Unit" only lasted 3.1 innings HA. 14 runs scored where were the bats we heard about?

sox ran all over the yanks. rj looked real bad. what can i say my sox came to play and play they did