I have to get to work. I'm late. One of us has to be miscalculating something. I has Rivera getting less than 290, and a few setup men over 200. I don't have the numbers, but just double check it for me.

Based on our scoring system, Rivera had 294 last year, and only three "true" set-up men had over 200

Dutscherrer (222)
Linebrink (213)
Politte (209)

Where are you getting your numbers from? Aren't you getting them from the Yahoo game site?

Ok. I'm at work, and re-did some numbers. My "Earned Run" miscalculation lowered most middle relievers I had over 200 to the 160-170 range. It also lowered the closers too. If my calcualtions are right, a "good" closer such as Texas' Francisco Cordero would get about 160 points. The same as a very mediocre middle reliever such as Juan Rincon. ...you're right about Rivera's score.

Hey PL, The draft countdown clock on my Yahoo team page shows the draft starting in 3 hours, 50 minutes, and counting. (6:30PM EST, not 6:30PST)????

Uh-oh.....I dunno.

Mine is right. It says starting in 5:30 and however many seconds.

I just logged in now, and now it's correct. 5:24

I think the difference in our opinions here, JL, is that you think I'm undervaluing closers.

You think that a save should be worth more positive points than a blown save is worth negative points.

I think, on the other hand, that since the league average for converted save opportunities is around 85%, a blown save has much more of a negative impact than converting a save opportunity has a positive one.

In other words, at an 85% success rate, it's "easy" to get a save, but "difficult" to blow one.

So because I value saves for less than what may be "traditional", that pulls the value of closers down in worth relative to set-up men.

As you say, though, the rules are the same for everyone....

Half Hour Away!! Please get in the draft room early if you can -- it won't wait for ya!

So do you just go into the draft room and chill so to speak? I'm in the area and I see that some of you guys have yahoo messenger (more of an msn messenger man myself) and whatever. I guess I'm all set and ready to go. Any last minute stuff that I've gotta know??

There's a live chat in the draft room where we can bitch at each other for taking the whole 90 seconds per pick. So around the 1.5-hour mark, things will start getting ugly.

draft finally done. trades anyone???

1 hr 32 mins - half hour shorter than I figured!

How grueling. :p

T.M. you're talking trades already hermano?

Hmmm, I'm actually not all that disappointed (YET!) with my draft.... come May I'm sure Plaw will have stolen all my studs from me for a bunch of rookies, tho...

I'm not too disapointed. Except I only have 2 RP. Plaw will be so pleased.

yeah I think I went this bad!

just kidding! actually, having to play a real RF instead of 3 random outfielders will hurt me, but I have big hopes in my two top young men Wright and Bay.

I'll offer you my usual bag of potato chips.

Gotta go smoke now.....nicotine fit

AROD is available for the right price. A hefty price.

Uhh.....

I guess there are several trades in my future.

That only took an hour and a half, not two hours.

Record time for 225 picks.

90 minutes, 5400 seconds, an average of 24 seconds per pick.

thanks to you guys. I might have averaged 1:49 min per pick!

I actually ran out of time on one of my last picks (Jon Lieber), and the computer picked for me.

I was wondering about that pick.
He sucks, and in that park.......

Same thing happened to me with one of mine.

He did win 17 games...Anyway, I'm very satisfied with my team.
I'll do some fine tuning later.

I just got home from class to find I ended up with 2 Dodgers... Good enough. And no Angels, which is even better, because you know I would have thrown them out on their asses immediately, whether anyone wanted to trade or not!

I have Clemens... is he even playing this season? Other than that, I know one or two guys, and I have a bunch of names that sound familiar, but I don't really know who they are.

I'm all packed up and ready for my move into the basement. :p

The Rocket is a gamble as to if he's playing this season, an Prior is injured, and pretty much is iffy about his season too. All I can say is pass the sunny d.

Someone brought the following question to my attention earlier today:

"If you have a pitcher who is listed as both a SP and a RP, and you have him in your starting lineup on a given day as a RP, and he winds up making a start that day, does that start count against your 162 game limit for starts?"

I discussed it with JG and DB, and we all agreed that it should count, however if anyone else wishes to offer an opinion to the contrary, feel free to do so.

I don't care either way because it probably won't effect my team. I'd assume that people that are using spot starters as relievers, wouldn't want to waste a start on these guys.