Originally posted by Don Cardi: In almost every other post in almost every other fantasy thread, all the sniffling and the tears have made those topics soaking wet! :p
Sheesh....
You crack a joke around here and get a sermon about family values. :p
Seriously, though....
Here's the difference, IMO, between what you call "whining" and "complaining" and what I consider "commenting" or "suggesting":
When JG makes a post like this:
Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff (Yahoo Baseball thread, 4/14): Sorry, but I'm starting to have a problem with our scoring...
Zambrano, for instance...
6 IP 18 outs 4 hits 4 ERs 3 BBs 1 HBP 8 Ks
...not a terrible outting these days, by any means. In fact, a NORMAL outting these days! But he gets the loss, cuz his offense didn't get the job done, not cuz he didn't! He gave STL every opportunity, having only given up 4 ERs... but he's penalized (as I am) cuz the OFFENSE didn't produce.
[b]1 point.
8 Ks, 3 BBs... 18 outs, 4 ERs. 1 fucking point.
Sorry, but I'm not liking that too much.
Timlin pitched ONE inning, got the 3 outs with one hit. He got 2 points. No save, no hold. That was it. One decent inning. But, TWICE as many points as a decent start. ????
C'mon now...! [/b]
He's complaining about something after the fact, and his complaint is being made strictly because of his personal self-interest.
He's unhappy with something in the scoring system because of the way if affected him.
If the situation that he was complaining about would have happened to someone else - and, in fact, it already had happened to others during the season - then he wouldn't have said anything.
I, on the other hand, rarely complain about anything after the fact.
When I comment or suggest, it's usually before the results of what I'm commenting about are known because I've given thought to the matter and imagined the various scenarios and reprecussions involved.
Before I know how or if it will affect me personally.
You had it exactly right when JL complained about how he couldn't replace the two guys for the playoffs.
What made his comment a "whine" was, as you correctly pointed out, the fact that he had the opportunity to complain about it before the results of what we decided with respect to the playoffs and replacing players - which directly and adversely affected him - were known, but he didn't.
Now, don't get me wrong here.
"Whining" is absolutely part of the fun of the game, and we all get a good laugh when people start whining.
That's why we started with "whine alerts", and bracketing whines with fake UBB Codes like this [whine][/whine].
But I personally do not do much whining, and you are confusing whining and complaining with my comments and suggestions which are designed to offer an opinion on how the game can be changed to mahe it better, not changed to serve my own personal self-interest.
