That's about typical of a bulls player in the post-jordan/scottie era. :rolleyes: you've got to like the direction that this team is headed in with it's young, blue-collar players like hinrich, gordon, duhon, deng, etc. five years ago players like that wouldn't have been worth much, but it looks like the style of play is slowly changing in the nba to more of a team game. it will always be primarily a game for stars and individuals, but the pistons and spurs have shown it takes a team effort, not just one or 2 players. god, who would have ever thought the pistons capable of having a positive influence on the league?