When HHH had his run as Champ...its basically boiled down to the fact that there were very few other guys available to put the RAW title on. Goldberg's run in WWE was a joke.

Plus...HHH is the Game. He's undoubtedly the best in the business (I've seen him numerous times in person). That's not suggesting that I think he's the greatest technical or amateur wrestler the WWE has...but he is a great technical wrestler...he's great on the mic...he's the total package.

Then again...I'm a huge mark for HHH, so I'm biased.

Nooooo... really?

I like HHH too and think he's probably the best wrestler in the business today. However, I like to see new guys with the titles (ESECPAILLY guys who never got it before), like the Chris Benoits, RVD's, Edge's, Booker T's (still waiting on his first run). As for Goldberg, I enjoyed seeing him in the WWE but think his "flop" if you will was due to the WWE and their booking. Remember when the nWo came into the WWF!? Man I was so excited to see Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash back in the WWF. And what happened? A completel water-down version from WCW that wasn't together more than a few months because Hulk Hogan turned in his black and white colors for the red and yellow (which I didn't mind). In any case, I think the WWE is to blame just as much as Bill Goldberg.

SNME has been great IMHO. I gotta watch ECW Tuesday at 11:00 this week. Big Show vs. The Undertaker. What do you guys think of the Hulk vs. Randy Orton at Summer Slam?

Kudo's to Cena.

What happened to when good "heat" matches needed actually time for such things to simmer before exploding as PPV bouts? Now its like you have two meatheads slam into each other, and BOOM, "rivalry".

As for Hogan/Orton.....so an overrated badly aged steroid-pusher, who was about as technical in the ring as Bush is with diplomatic chatter, against a wrestler that despite major pushing, fans still don't give a total shit about.

Well spotted ronnie. And I'm gonna kill myself quickily after Hogan does "the job" to Orton (which STILL won't put him over)

Man, how many more legends will Orton have to dispatch in order to get respect?

Not enough!

It just goes to show you, you can have a gimmick and beat all the guys you want, but you still have to perform in the ring to get over with the fans

FINALLY Booker T has won the WWE title!

BTW, the immortal Hulk Hogan will be on Raw tonight HHH and Vinnie Mac won't however because Stephanie McMahon has gone into labor (Shane and Shawn will keep the feuding going tonight)

Needless to say, Carlito is my least favorite wrestler

Anyone else find it funny that RVD was "suspended" because he was defending the ECW title to much and Big Show is doing the same thing. I guess the creative team doesnt think were that smart. :rolleyes:


Also Im going to SD! and ECW tomorrow and I can't wait to see the new champ King Booker.

I hate how Big Show keeps fighting WWE talent on an ECW show for the ECW title. We ALL know he's going to retain it. First Flair, last week the Undertaker, and now this week Kane. Who's next week, Finley?

I missed the first hour. What did the Hulk have to say?

Nothing much. He accepted Orton's invitation to fight at SummerSlam. Orton came out and they just jawed with each other. Orton came down to the ring, acted like he was gonna get in and when he jumped back one time, he landed on the announcers table. Orton told the King to "get his hands off of him" so with Orton's back to him, the King threw Orton into the ring with Hogan who did his 3 big rights and went for the big boot but Orton slide out of the ring and that was pretty much it.

Thanks Irish

No prob. Watch ECW tonight (and Kelly had better be on, but I know she won't)

Is that the exhibitionist?

Oh yes

Damn! SD! and ECW was so fucking great tonight. I forgot how awsome it was to go watch them live and its soo cool. Also, you dont realize how HUGE some of them are on tv. Big Show, Kane, and Kali are just freaking huge. So great, Mr. Kennedy in person is cool as hell.

SD! was ok, basically the re-matches from GAB. The Diva search was total waste of time, but other then that it was great. Only thing I'm disappointed in is, ECW came to Detroit and Sabu whos from MI didnt even get a match and I missed seeing Kurt Angle by a week. Also the dark match after ECW was Kali and Big Show v. Undertaker and Kane so maybe the Bros. Of Destruction are coming back, one can hope :p

Damn that Paul Heyman

Not a bad match between the Big Show and Kane but Sabu had better win that title and quickly!

It was a ok match, I hoped for some more Hardcore spots but it was ok in the end. Also when we were there, you could have got this thing where you can order WM 23 tickets before they go on sale to the public, they have to been mailed in before Aug. 11th and Im thinking about doing it. Kinda steep though, the most expensive are $750 and least are 30. The 750 are I guess are ringside and you get to keep the chair you sit in.


Also for SD! two things for this week, I think the Kennedy/ Batista fued will work out better then the Henry one and Finlay got a nice pop when he came out so maybe he will be the face against Regal.

I'm becoming a big fan of Mr. Kennedy. The guy's got charisma...his mic skills are exceptional for being a rookie. I think he's got a lot of potential.

I hate him almost as much as I hate Carlito. Nothing against the people who are fans of them, but I think there gimmicks SUCK and I'm tired of seeing them take up air-time (but that's just me)

Carlito's gimmick is perfect for him and he's way over with the fans.

You know Irishman that I thought Carlito was both a bland persona and a boring wrestler, but now I think the writers have found something that matches with the character.

Besides, at least Carlito has some heat with the fans, unlike a certain "Legend Killer" :p

Yeah I'll give you that. Some talent can make it and some can't. Brock Lesner and John Cena certainly were wrestler's who shot straight to the top. Unfortunately, in my eyes, Orton, Carlito and Mr. Kennedy haven't arrived there yet (and are just redundent and piss me off week-after-week). I'll tell you about a young talent that I really dig, the former Intercontinental champion himself, Mr. Shelton Benjamin. Not the greatest at cutting a promo but he's VERY athletic and entertaining to watch in the ring.

BTW, what ever happened with Brock? I remember he left the WWF to play football for the Vikings and that never worked out and then next thing I heard, he sued the WWF. What for and why didn't he come back to wrestling after football? Also, what's he doing now?

Last I heard about Brock was that UFC offered him a contract to do some fights. And yes Shelton is great, I think AAE should jump to Shelton and be his manager, because thats all he needs.

I'm not sure if Brock was actually offered a deal to fight with the UFC...but I know the UFC said they were definitely interested in him.

Since leaving the WWE and failing to be recruited by the Vikings, Lesnar joined New Japan Pro Wrestling and won the IWGP Heavyweight title.

Lesnar sucked on the mic...but I was a huge fan of his. I would have loved to see him square off against Batista or Bobby Lashley...or Umaga.

Why did he go to Japan over WWE and why the lawsuit? The guy must have cleaned up money-wise in the WWE. He was a GREAT wrestler for a man his size