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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257926
04/21/06 07:14 PM
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No way, if you love the game you have to love it from the very first pitch. You love every play and every out, of every game. Only pussies show up at the end of the year and start screaming how much they love their team after they see them on top.
You have to be like Irishman here. He loves the Yankees so much that people start to hate him for the way he locks in on the Yankees and doesn't let go. He throws his bull all around and doesn't back down when people bust his balls. Now that is a FAN.
Not at all what I said. Nowhere did I say you don't root for your team all year. But teams are going to win 60 & lose 60 games. It's what they do with the other 40 that determines their success or failure.

Last year all the Yankee fans were gripping b/c of the lousy start they had. The season is a marathon, not a sprint. The team still made it to the playoffs. Many insignificant things happen in April. Does anyone honestly think that dolt from Detroit will end up leading the league in HRs just b/c he has 9 so far this April?

With the exception of this season, Jim Thome usually has horrible Aprils. Same with Manny Ramirez. By the same token, September isn't a true barometer since rosters are expanded to 40 players. Anybody remember that "legend" Shane Spencer be annointed just for hitting some HRs in meaningless September games?

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257927
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Does anyone honestly think that dolt from Detroit will end up leading the league in HRs just b/c he has 9 so far this April?
No! I think if Thome stays healthy he's gonna have a great year. I agree with everything you've said thus far goombah. As a Yankee fan, I won't lie, I'd like to see them win more games instead of being 7-7 but at least they're hanging around .500 and are not under. However, I'm pissed at boston's hot start. But I agree, it's a long season and there's no need to hit that panic button just yet

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257928
04/21/06 11:16 PM
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Hey TonyWillLive, you taking a little breather while the adults are talking, little buddy? Can I get you any thing, coffee, tea, red bull, beer, coke/pepsi, milk and freakin cookies?! Cuz you look a little dry? What oh what could be the reason?!

GO BLUE JAYS!



Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257929
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But then anyone can be a Yankee fan. Sure they are the most popular team. When a guy jumps up and yells lets go METS this early, you know that it took balls.
Far and away, we are the minority in my area. The vast majority of people around Buffalo (especially on campus) are Boston fans.



Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257930
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[quote]Originally posted by fathersson:
[b]

But then anyone can be a Yankee fan. Sure they are the most popular team. When a guy jumps up and yells lets go METS this early, you know that it took balls.
Far and away, we are the minority in my area. The vast majority of people around Buffalo (especially on campus) are Boston fans. [/b][/quote]Really? I feel so sorry for you. But also, and this is my own personal opinion, but there's been A LOT of bandwagon Boston fans since probably 2003

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257931
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A good outting for Chacon today and a good Yankee win

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257932
04/22/06 07:52 PM
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JJ, I can't understand why Buffalonians would root for any other team than The Yankees. Why would the city of Buffalo have a huge affinity for The Boston Red Sox when they are in New York State and closer to New York City than Boston, Ma.? Doesn't add up to me.



Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257933
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A great win for the Yanks today as they take the series from Baltimore. What a day from Mr. Jason Giambi 2 runs, 3 hits (2 homeruns) 5 RBI's

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257934
04/24/06 10:57 AM
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Who do all of you see the Yankees picking at the break? I don't think Clemens will come back, I think there is a better chance he comes to Boston and that is very slim at best. With the way Houston is playing right now he probably will end up back there.

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257935
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I think the Yanks have a great shot at picking up Clemens. He still stays in contact with a few of those guys, and if it comes down to an issue of money, we all know the Yanks have it. I would love to see Zito or Dontrelle Willis but I wouldn't want the Yanks to part with any prospects (a la Cano, Wang, etc.)

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257936
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I heard Willis is on the market, but Zito didn't know the A's were looking to deal. I agree with you the Yankees can't afford to let go of the few prospects they have. Whats your opinion on Damon? I loved him when he was here but if I were the Yankees I wouldn't have paid as much especially with a guy like Vernon Wells possibly coming onto the market.

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Well I've heard if the A's fall out of contention they'll trade Zito (a la Hudson and Mulder). But I don't see that happening. Worst case scenerio, he'll sign with someone else in the offseason as a free agent. As for Damon, I haven't seen many Yankee game so far this season but I'm digging him. He is a little older but the man can still play and hit and he was an improvement from Bernie Williams in the field. I'm glad we didn't get Brian Giles or Milton Bradley. Everyone says we "overpaid" yet I think the Red Sox just tried to get him cheap. If the Yanks sign him, they overpaid. If they don't sign him, then people scream about how the Yankees couldn't afford to let him go, they need a center fielder, etc. As for Vernon Wells, I don't see Toronto letting him walk anytime soon (I think they know what they've got)

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257938
04/24/06 11:20 AM
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Good points but I don't see the Red Sox as being cheap with Damon, they offered him the same contract as Varitek 4 yrs 40 million. The Yankees may get what they paid for this year and the next but he in my opinion won't get it done the last two years. Much like what I expect out of Pedro and the deal he got.

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257939
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I say they wanted to get him cheap because Johnny was willing and able to stay in Boston and all it took for him to sign with New York was an extra $12 million. They have the money. If they wanted him back so badly and he was "the face of the team", spend the money and keep him. They pulled the same thing with Alex Rodriguez (tried to get him cheap from Texas) and that's why he's with New York too. However, I think a major reason why Johnny's in New York is because Theo wasn't in the front office during his time as a free agent. Had he been, he'd still be in Boston right now. I hate Theo!

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257940
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I disagree he wouldn't have signed Damon. I think if you look at the Yankees and the Red Sox from 2003 to now and you will see that the Red Sox are planning for the future and the Yankees aren't. Time after time the Yankees have gone out and gotten overpaid players that are getting towards the end of their career. I use Randy Johnson, Jared Wright, Johnny Damon as a few examples. The Red Sox have picked up Josh Beckett, Coco Crisp, Wily Mo Pena not to mention the development of Jonathan Papelbon, Kevin Youkilis and they still have Lester and Hanson. Its clear to me that it seems for now the Sox are in great position for 5 years and the Yankees are gonna have to play a game of wait and see in whos availiable in the off season.
Why would you Yankee fans be worried though, right?

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257941
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I disagree he wouldn't have signed Damon. I think if you look at the Yankees and the Red Sox from 2003 to now and you will see that the Red Sox are planning for the future and the Yankees aren't. Its clear to me that it seems for now the Sox are in great position for 5 years and the Yankees are gonna have to play a game of wait and see in whos availiable in the off season.
Why would you Yankee fans be worried though, right?
Not planning for the future? I guess you haven't heard of Chien-Ming Wang, Jeff Karstens, J. Brent Cox, Matt Smith, Eric Duncan, Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Kevin Thompson, and the slew of other minor leaguers who are coming up through the Yankees farm system (Wang who is obviously with the team now, Smith recently called up).

I'm not worried, especially if we can get Clemens back for the mid-season haul. And no, Clemens will not return to Boston, a.) because he didn't like the treatment he received when he returned there from the asshole fans and b.) because he still has ties to New York or Houston, whereas in Boston, the players he was with are long gone.

I find it interesting that a few months ago, Boston fans hung their heads and sang "woe is me" when Epstein left, Damon was gone (conveniently going from team leader to a "aging center fielder"), and the only guys worth mentioning were Ortiz, Varitek, and Manny Ramirez. Yet, now you have "depth." Quite fascinating. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with the mohawk closer and the rest of the Red Sox this year.



Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257942
04/24/06 10:52 PM
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I don't believe that Toroto Blue Jay Centre Fielder Vernon "V.W." Wells will be traded, placed on waivers or otherwise told to leave The Blue Jay franchise. Mr. Ricciardi, if he has any intelligence whatsoever (and believe me he does) will do every thing in his power to insure that V.W. stays with The Blue Jays for many years to come. Having said all that....

Sweet Caroline...! The Blue Jays better do well this season!



Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257943
04/25/06 05:47 AM
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Not planning for the future? I guess you haven't heard of Chien-Ming Wang, Jeff Karstens, J. Brent Cox, Matt Smith, Eric Duncan, Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Kevin Thompson, and the slew of other minor leaguers who are coming up through the Yankees farm system (Wang who is obviously with the team now, Smith recently called up).
Every ML team has "a slew of minor leaguers" working their way through the system.

The question is, "How good are these guys?"

Unless Wang shows a dramatic improvement, I don't see him as anything more than a #3 or #4 starter, certainly not the type of 16-18 game winner you build a pennant-winning pitching staff around.

We've been hearing about Duncan, the Yanks top hitting prospect, since they made him their #1 pick in 2003, but so far he hasn't done much to justify the hype.

Minor league statistics have proven time and again to be quite reliable indicators of a player's future ML performance, and Duncan's have been nothing special.

Two years ago in A ball, he hit .258 with 16 homers and 131 strikeouts in 461 ABs.

Last year, in AA, it was .235 with 19 homers and 136 K's in 451 ABs.

So far at AAA Columbus this year, he's at .250, with no homers in 17 games.

Thompson is hitting .284 this year at Columbus, and Karstens is 0-2 for the Clippers so far, with an 8.18 E.R.A.

Hughes looked like a real prospect until he hurt his arm last year, and I'm not sure if he's back in action yet this season or not.

Only Cabrera, hitting .338 at Columbus, and Smih, look like tyhe might be ready for the majors now.


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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257944
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I'll say one thing, Clemens will infact return to Houston later on this year...I have heard from my sources. Quote me on this later if you want to.


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Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257945
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I'm gonna have to agree with Plawrence good facts man. I think the Yankees are a team that will pick up the players in the off-season and if they do have an prospects good enough they will trade them away in the middle of the year to pick up some help for the home stretch. This year in my opinion they don't have anything that will be of great value to any team looking to deal a everyday player or pitcher for a minor league stud. My Red Sox on the other hand...well he can check out the thread I started, speaks for itself I think.

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This year in my opinion they don't have anything that will be of great value to any team looking to deal a everyday player or pitcher for a minor league stud.
So I guess Chien Ming-Wang, Robinson Cano and Andy Phillips don't count?

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Well yea they do but you really think they are good enough to pick up a good player and if you do I would like to know who you think they could get.

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257948
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Philip Hughes according to Milb.com is only the only ranked Yankee in the top 50 and hes at 30. So it really doesn't bold to well, cause if the Yanks do trade Cano or Mieng-Wang who do they replace them with. By the way incase you didn't know Hughes is a pitcher.

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Another well pitched game for Moose. 6 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, and 7 strikeouts. He's 3-1 with a 2.45 ERA

Re: How bout them Yankees!? #257950
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if the Yanks do trade Cano..... who do they replace (him) with?
I don't see the Yanks trading Cano unless they get back a starting pitcher along the quality lines of what Carl Pavano was supposed to be.

I could even see Cano and a top prospect maybe going to Florida for Willis.

Replacing Cano is easy.

The Yankees don't need offense from 2B, and there are plenty of minor league second basemen who can field as well as Cano can (or better) and hit maybe .240 or so.


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[quote]Originally posted by TonyWillLive:
[b] if the Yanks do trade Cano..... who do they replace (him) with?
I don't see the Yanks trading Cano unless they get back a starting pitcher along the quality lines of what Carl Pavano was supposed to be.

I could even see Cano and a top prospect maybe going to Florida for Willis.

Replacing Cano is easy.

The Yankees don't need offense from 2B, and there are plenty of minor league second basemen who can field as well as Cano can (or better) and hit maybe .240 or so. [/b][/quote]Good point plaw. They could trade him for the 24-year-old Dontrelle Willis (who I'd love to see in pinstripes). As for Cano, he is VERY replacable. Alfonso Soriano said before the season began, he'd be willing to DH or even play the outfield (yes, willingly) just to play for the Yanks again

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A good outting from Chacon, 6 1/3 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 2 BB, 3 SO, 4.56 ERA, 3-1 record

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Thought you Yankee fans should know Chien-Ming Wang is 1-6 when the Yankees don't score six runs.

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Hey, listen...like John Sterling says at some point during almost every game....

'You CAN'T predict baseball!'



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Thought you Yankee fans should know Chien-Ming Wang is 1-6 when the Yankees don't score six runs.
Thought you Red Sox fans should know Curt Schilling is planning on retiring after the 2007 season

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