I guess that's my point too Snake, why did Tony have to include Carmine in the first place?

Another thing, what's up with Carmines son? Is he playing Tony saying he'd talk to his dad. What is his "position" in the scheme of things? I can't figure out his character. You would think he'd side with his father with the 40 per cent????

TIS

"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK

"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon