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Re: Don't worry about a thing,Frankie5Angels
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01/02/05 09:16 PM
01/02/05 09:16 PM
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it always made me wonder, if Frankie killing himself was what Mike wanted, how was it that Tom introduced the idea to Frankie. watching the conversation, it seems as though Frankie is the first to mention the suicide thing. how did tom know that Frankie would understand he was to commit suicide without directly saying it?
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Re: Don't worry about a thing,Frankie5Angels
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01/03/05 03:51 PM
01/03/05 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Debra: When Tom tells Frankie "dont worry about anything,Frankie Five Angels" he means :
1) Dont worry about ANYTHING - Michael will not come after you.
2) Dont worry,we'll take care of your family once youre dead.(they both understand Michael will kill him)
3) I understand your plan to kill yourself.Go ahead,we'll take care of your family.
--I think its the 3rd option,I think Tom actually tells him to commit suicide (in the cover of history talk) He tells him "Frankie -- when a plot against the Emperor failed -- the planners were always given a chance to let their families keep their fortunes"
So Frankie has a chance now to let his family keep his fortune...all he has to do is kill himself.
Your opinions please? You're right. Tom set Frankie up beautifully. He starts by reminding Frankie about the "good ol' days" getting him to remember Vito and the glory times of the Corleone Family. He then reminds Frankie of the Roman History upon which the organization was based. One of the cornerstones of Roman History was that a coup against the emperor could never, ever stand unpunished. The member(s) of the failed coup had the option of killing themselves rather than waiting for execution of him and his entire family. The honor that came from saving the emperor the trouble was that the victim's family would be spared. By walking Pentangelli down this course of thought, Tom conveyed the "deal" Michael had for Frankie. If Mike and Frank could've spoken, it might have gone like this: Mike: "Well, Frankie, it's a shame things came to this." Frank: "Yeah, Mike. I always liked you, you know. I just thought you'd double-crossed me." M: "No reason to rehash it, Frankie. You know what I gotta do." F: "I got it pretty safe here in the pen, Mikey. I'm gonna cost you a lotta money and a lot of muscle." M: "Revenge is a dish best served cold, Frank. There'll be a time. Grieving men let their guard down, from time to time". F: "About that Mike. I don't mind to help you out IF you will take care of my family, you know, help 'em out and leave them alone at the same time." M: "If you help me out with this thing I have to do, you have my word, your family will be fine for the rest of their long, natural lives." F: "Thanks, Mike. Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta take a bath." Hey, I'm a little Winegardner in the making, huh. I guess I shouldn't make fun of him if I can't do any better. You guys get the idea. Salut'.
"The Godfather was a man to whom everybody came for help and never were they disappointed. He made no empty promises, nor the craven excuse that his hands were tied by more powerful forces in the world than himself. It was not necessary that he be your friend, it was not even important that you had no means with which to repay him. Only one thing was required. That you, yourself, proclaim your friendship. And then, no matter how poor or powerless the supplicant, the Godfather would take that person's troubles to his heart. He would let nothing stand in the way to a solution of that person's woe. His reward? Friendship, the respectful title 'Don' and sometimes the more affectionate salutation of 'Godfather.' Perhaps, to show respect only, never for profit, some humble gift - a gallon or homemade wine or a basket of fresh baked goods on a holiday. It was understood to proclaim that you were in his debt and that he had the right to call upon you at any time to redeem the debt by some small service." -- Mario Puzo, The Godfather (1969).
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