Now, I am Made to belive the Mafia Was Involved in His Assasination along with The Entire Government, and Cuban Exiales. If You've seen JFK ya know what I mean. What Are your Ideas About this?

This is what happens when nobody can get concrete proof. With the JFK assassination, everybody was implicated at some time or another. Hell, even the CIA was accused once over!

Mick

There are many ties between the CIA and the Mafia, and the cuban exiles. There was the Cia/Mafia plots to kill Casrto, and there were the Mafia's involvement in Cuba before the revolution, and involvement with the anit-Castro movement in the South.

You have these groups working together with money/guns/ and eventually a hatred of JFK. Also Oswald had ties to the New Orleans mob through and uncle he lived with in his youth.

Does this mean they killed JFK?

I don't know, but there was motive, and means so anything is possible.

Read The Mafia Princess, the story of Sam Giancana. his daughter tells the story. the book is related to JFK and the Mob but still we did'nt know which is true but we will have some ideas. IMHO, the Mafia's are related to JFK's assasination. after the presidential campaign, election and the unions, this will give us some insights of the assasination. another help will be the Rat Pack movie and the Dvd of "Mafia, History of the Mob in America."

GoodFella

another incident that was mentioned in Sam Giancana's book . . .

GoodFella

When there is motive, ANything is Possible.

I thought the movie to be great and Have Read Garrison's memoiurs

In the book Bound By Honor by Bill Bonanno, he describes how the mafia did it, with a guy in the sewer or something. I dont totally believe that because I think Bill strectched the truth alot in that book to show how he and his father were these "men of honor" in a world of criminals.

Well, whats seemes to strange and imposible migt be the oposite.

Various conspiracy theorists put together some circumstantial evidence (JFK and Giancana shared the same mistress, Giancana supposedly helped JFK carry Illinois, Mafia helped CIA in plots to kill Castro, Mob became enraged when Bobby K turned on the Mob and deported Carlos Marcello) to "prove" that the Mob killed JFK. I don't think so for many reasons. Most important: Organized crime had no reason to believe it would get favorable treatment from the Kennedy administration. In 1959, during Senate Labor Committee hearings on organized crime influence over unions, JFK, the committee’s chairman, and RFK, the chief counsel, grilled Mob figures relentlessly. RFK purposely humiliated Giancana by likening him to “a little girl.” He also made a lifelong enemy of Jimmy Hoffa. Not surprisingly, the Teamsters Union, and their Mafia backers, supported Richard Nixon in 1960.
And if they did want to kill a Kennedy, why would they choose JFK, when RFK was their nemesis—-and leave RFK, who was notoriously ruthless, to wreak vengeance from his position as Attorney General? Why would they use a certifiable nut-case like Oswald as an assassin, when they had plenty of better killers in their own ranks? And why would they have Oswald killed by another certifiable nut-case like Ruby—-and leave him behind to tell about it?

Wasnt Jack Ruby connected? And didnt he have about 6 more months left to live because he was dying of some kind of cancer? I dont think the mafia was the main player in the Kennedy assination but I do believe they had a small role. Who knows, maybe their the ones who got RFK later.

No Doubt RFK was killed similarly.

Why wasnt he taken out in 1963?

I think the mob had SOME involvment but the key player was the Army Inteligentce Community.

Don M, Ruby was a half assed associate of people who had contacts with the Chicago mob.

In reality he was a scatterbrained man who was desparate for attention, and had thought he would be hailed as a hero for shooting Oswald.

He contacted cancer in jail about the time he was up for appeal. Many theorists belive this was given to him by the "Conspritors"

ANd you say it as a sceptic against the Assasination theorists huh?

Not sure what that means

There are some crackpot theories running around including one that the Oswald who killed JFK was a subsitute from the one born who enlisted in the marines.

A good book to read is Anthony Summers' Not in Your Lifetime gives good evidence of conspriracy and some interesting facts about Oswald and Ruby.

I've also read Gerald Posners book Case Closed and it gives evidence of Oswald being the lone gunman.

A good book on Ruby is The Ruby Coverup by Seth Cantor

Well, there were 3 Oswolds man!

One who went out of an Embasy In mexico, one who was goin all over texas in November of 63, and The oswald We "Convicted"

Don't forget the one who took the test drive, and the one who was at the shooting range shooting at the other peoples targets.

Thas the oswald that was All over Texas

wheres texas

Well said, Mike's Bodyguard! As a club owner, Ruby would have had some contact with Mafia operatives who were involved in supplying his and other strip joints with entertainers. Probably some of them visited his club. But, in his only major contact with a Mob-connected figure, Ruby and his brother turned down an offer to get in on a drug deal. The Dallas police questioned Ruby about the deal after the Mob operative was arrested, and were satisfied with Ruby’s account. Ruby did have a string of arrests, but all of them were associated with his club business: assaulting patrons and employees, various licensing and tax violations. None involved organized crime.
Ruby was far closer to the Dallas police, who had life-and-death control over his all-important liquor and cabaret licenses—the Warren Commission said he had personal contacts with about 50 Dallas cops, whom he frequently comped at his club. He was a lifelong borderline nut case, and he went completely round the bend after the JFK assassination.

Well, His Connection to the Dallas PD got him into the Parking Garage Where Oswald Was Killed.

And MMM, Texas is A State in the Union.

It rankles me somewhat how statements about the JFK assassination as if they were provable beyond-a-doubt facts.

Oswald was this, Ruby was that, the mob, the CIA, the anti-castro Cubans, the Texas right-wing oil interests....

The only thing that I think can be stated with certainty, is that we will never be certain about who did what.

My opinion? Oswald certainly didn't act alone, and may have been no more than the "patsy" he claimed to be. The ridiculous "magic bullet" theory is all the proof I need of that. And if he didn't act alone, then re was a conspiracy, you have to assume that Ruby was part of it.

Ill show My Argument From The Movies Script

Jim Garrison: The Warren Commission thought they had an open-and-shut case. Three bullets, one assassin. But two unpredictable things happened that day that made it virtually impossible. One, the eight-millimeter home movie taken by Abraham Zapruder while standing by the grassy knoll. Two, the third wounded man, James Tague, who was knicked by a fragment, standing near the triple underpass. The time frame, five point six seconds, determined by the Zapruder film, left no possibility of a fourth shot. So the shot or fragment that left a superficial wound on Tague's cheek had to come from the three shots fired from the sixth floor depository. That leaves just two bullets. And we know one of them was the fatal head shot that killed Kennedy. So now a single bullet remains. A single bullet now has to account for the remaining seven wounds in Kennedy and Connelly. But rather than admit to a conspiracy or investigate further, the Warren Commission chose to endorse the theory put forth by an ambitious junior counselor, Arlen Spector, one of the grossest lies ever forced on the American people. We've come to know it as the "Magic Bullet Theory." This single-bullet explanation is the foundation of the Warren Commission's claim of a lone assassin. Once you conclude the magic bullet could not create all seven of those wounds, you'd have to conclude that there was a fourth shot and a second rifle. And if there was a second rifleman, then by definition, there had to be a conspiracy.

Boy am I with you there Mike Sullivan! We have discussed this before here, and I will always be fascinated with it. To me it's the murder "mystery" of my lifetime. I just read a book called "Murder In Dealy Plaza" which I found extremely interesting (although sometimes difficult to comprhend the medical terms, as it was written by a doctor).

I just can't imagine if this were to happen today, that anyone would buy a theory like the "magic bullet" theory. We were very naive back then I guess.

TIS

Well,

I read "On the Trails Of The Assasins" and "Crossfire"

Great Books. Definate Must Reads.

Hey guys I never said that I didn't belive in a conspiracy, but most conspiracy theroists are a little off the deep end including Jim Garrison.

Unless you have reas ALL of the volums of the Warren Commssion, and I have not, you cannot truly discet what they reported and what happened.

Jim Garrison's main witness at the trail was a man who actually fingerprinted his daughter when she returned from college because he thought the CIA was going to subsitute her for someone else.

He was caught taking a bribe from gangsters with ties to Marcello.

Everyone likes to give out the Ruby line that he begged to be taken to Washington during his Warren Comm. testimony but if you saw all the transcript of the coversation you would see he had lost a screw and was almost incoherent.

Oliver Stone based most of his script from the book Crossfire by Jim Mars, who reports on any conspricy incluing the belief that JFK was shot with a poison dart from an open umbrella.

The crackpot conspiritors, including Garrison, while he unearthed alot of documents and film, have been disprooved by now.

Please visit the JFK assaination homepage to dispell some myths.

By the way this 4th of july; my Uncle, Aunt, my son and myself had a firework explode in our backyard about ten feet from us and we could not agree where it came from and how many times it popped...

Well,
I read My Dad For Some reason read Some Of the Volumes.

Three Words "Majic Bullet Theorie"

You Belive in that?

Who had Reason To Kill Kenedy?

Motive and Power, things that Can show your Idea Of A Crackpot Theorie Is True

The magic bullet is a joke...
Motive? How about almost everyone: Mob/CIA/Military/Oil/Cuban refugees.

Power...not sure the consipracy and coverup are the same.

There was alot of stuff they wanted to keep quiet and that helped bury alot of info. Also LBJ wanted an open and shut case against Oswald to calm the nation down as well.

It is a shame they have not disclosed all they know.

Who has the Power To Cover Up?

The Government.

Who has the Pwer to actualy Organise the Hit and Kill him?

The Government?

Who Had Motive...

DUH!

HE JUST WOULDNT COMMIT TO NAM!

I understand what you are saying Mike's Bodyguard, and I do know some theories have been disproven, but there are way too many unanswered and unexplainable data here. Also, if this was some kind of conspiracy, why would we hold the Warren Commission's report as "gospel", when they could be in question along with many others.

It's probably something we will never find out the answer to, but I sure would like to find out in my lifetime.

And as many times as it's been brought up, Mike Sullivan is right....the "magic" bullet theory, is just unbelieveable. It's almost laughable to think that the nation was expected to believe it, and kind of sad that many of us did.....at first. But then, we wouldn't even think of our government being involved in any kind of cover-up.


TIS

Just Remeber.

Down, and the The Left.