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Re: The Rat Pack
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07/10/02 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Family Honour: How many rat packers were they and who were they? I know about Frank Sinatra and I've seen that photo quite a few times. Was Sinatra Sicillian? Thanks
FH The Rat Pack members were Frank, Dean Martin, Peter Lawford, Sammy Davis Jr., Shirley McLaine, Joey Bishop. Thats all I can think of right now.
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Re: The Rat Pack
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08/07/02 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Luca Brasi: I read a book called "The Last Mafioso" and there was a pic that took up 2 pages of Frank Sinatra with a group of wiseguys in his dressing room. One wiseguy in the group was none other than Carlo Gambino. In 1981 Sinatra faced questioning from the Gaming Board controlling Nevada gambling. Sinatra was asked questions about the notorious 1976 Westchester photo. This is his account of the photo Sinatra: - "I was asked by one of the members of the theatre - who he was doesn't come to me, I don't think that it is that important - he told me that Mr. Gambino had arrived with his grand-daughter, whose name happened to be Sinatra, a doctor in New York, not related at all and they'd like to take a picture. I said Fine. They came in and took a picture of the little girl and before I realized what happened, there were approximately eight or nine men standing around me and several other snapshots were made. That is the whole incident that took place" Of course those guys included Gambino, underboss Paul Castellano and Los Angeles boss (later turned witness) Jimmy 'the Weasel' Fratianno. This is Fratianno's view. "Well, that's a lot of baloney. He wanted to take a picture with Gambino and he offered Gambino to come in the back, he wanted to meet him. He knows me, he knows Gambino, Tommy Marson, Paul Castellano. He knows just as much about this as I do" Draw your own conclusions folks. ![](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif)
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Re: The Rat Pack
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08/11/02 05:59 AM
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I've just found a new comment on Sinatra and the mafia HERE.
"Come heavy or not at all." Uncle Junior to Tony S. "Nenti dire ca nenti si capi" come disse quello. (Say nthg when U know nthg.) "Chi non ci vuole stare, se ne vada." (If U don't like it here, go somewhere else.)
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Re: The Rat Pack
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08/12/02 05:51 PM
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I'm no Turnball - the technical term for expert. ![](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/smile.gif) but I believe that the photo includes:- From left: Paul Castellano, Gregory de Palma, Sinatra, Tommy Marson, Carlo Gambino, James Fratianno, Salvatore Spatola. (all standing) Joseph Gambino and Richard Fusco - (sitting)
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Re: The Rat Pack
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08/31/02 05:20 PM
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why exactly is the Kennedy family so respected? I dont know much about American History or politics but I know JFK wasnt exactly president for very long and it seems his assasination is the only reason he receives so much praise.
"Leave the gun. Take the cannolis.
"We're all gonna be three little Fonzies - and what was Fonzie?!", "Cool?", "Correct-a-mundo!"
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/02/02 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by goddaughter: why exactly is the Kennedy family so respected? I dont know much about American History or politics but I know JFK wasnt exactly president for very long and it seems his assasination is the only reason he receives so much praise. A really good and thoughtful question, goddaughter. Short answer: money talks! Longer answer: JFK's father was a rum-runner during US Prohibition, stock market manipulator and Hollywood financier who used his money to buy respectability--in his case, appointment as Ambassador to the Court of St. James. He also bought JFK's nomination as Democratic Presidential candidate in 1960. The Presidential election was the closest in modern US history, and Kennedy Sr. used his money and influence to throw the election into JFK's corner. JFK, notwithstanding his considerable charm, charisma and occasional leadership qualities, didn't accomplish much in his less than 3 years as President. Much of his current fame and adulation stems from the mythology that inheres in his tragic death. This isn't unusual in politics. Abraham Lincoln, considered by many (including me) to be the greatest US President, might not have been regarded as so great had he lived to deal with the problems of Reconstruction after the US Civil War. Those problems fell to his successor, Andrew Johnson, who was impeached.* -- * - "Impeached" under the US Constitution means indicted and tried for "high crimes and misdemeanors. Johnson was tried by the US Senate, but not convicted. (Sorry to be pedantic, but since you're not from the US, I thought I'd try to explain this nuance.)
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/02/02 11:40 AM
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thanks-I knew what impeached means but only since Bill Clinton and his little "misdemeanours"!!!
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"We're all gonna be three little Fonzies - and what was Fonzie?!", "Cool?", "Correct-a-mundo!"
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/03/02 07:45 AM
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I'm only surmising here but, I've often wondered if, had Joe Kennedy not had the stroke which left him almost helpless if he would have stopped his sons relentless campaign against organised crime.? As has been said he had quite strong ties to the mob and I could be wrong, someone will tell me, but I thought the campaign began seriously after Joes stroke/heart attack? Maybe by trying to wipe out the mob guys the Kennedy boys were trying to clean up their own history...the other end of the scale where Mike in GF3 tried to clean up his history for Mary and Anthony..in GF3 Mike says something like 'the higher you go the worse it gets' that seems true FH
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/04/02 01:01 AM
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That's a great question, FH! I guess the answer depends on how much credence you give to the various stories about how the Kennedys became involved with Sam Giancana of the Chicago Outfit. One story has Joe Kennedy himself approaching Giancana for help, another has JFK making the move, another has Bobby doing it, still others have Sinatra and various other go-betweens doing the dirty-work. For what it's worth: I doubt that any Kennedy had any direct contact with Giancana. And the Kennedys were too rich, too powerful and too influential to be beholden to anyone for long. Joe, especially, had a record of "loving and leaving," or at least distancing himself from, various backers. Bobby was monomaniacally dedicated to protecting his brother. JFK, meanwhile, had a great knack for letting others help him to lead a charmed life, and was too smart to let "loyalty" or "debts" put him in a precarious situation. Bottom line: Bobby declared war on the Mob in part to make sure that the Kennedy name was distanced from their Mob backers. I doubt that Old Man Kennedy would have tried to interfere with that effort--he would have supported it.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/06/02 01:21 PM
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well , i just watched this movie lastnight, well worth the time,
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/25/02 02:24 AM
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the first Rat Pack was formed by Humphrey Bogart and his wife lauren Baccall. they call it Holmby Hills Rat Pack which was dedicated to drinking, laughing, staying up late and not caring about public opinion. in short, Good Time. the members are Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland and husband Sid Luft, agent Irving Lazar and nathaniel Benchley. when Bogie died in 1957, Frankie formed his own.
The New Rat Pack have their own vocabulary like "God" was called the Big G, "broads" was women, "Bird" was the male organ. everytime Frankie sees one of the Rat Pack he always asks "How's your Bird?"
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/25/02 09:09 AM
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Hi, I saw the movie with Ray Liotta. Frank Sinatra originally went to Puzo for the role of Vito and was turned down. Then he read the part about Johhny Fontaine in the book and called Mario Puzo every name in the book.
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/26/02 05:31 PM
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Hi there, I've got a couple of answers to some of the questions i've come across regarding Frank Sinatra with connection to the Mafia!! Family Honour. Not so long ago i was watching a documentary on Frank Sinatra on T.V over here in the U.K, which if i remember stated that Franks father was an amateur boxer in New Jersey,both Franks parents had connections with the Mafia through Sinatra Snr's boxing circles.Mrs Sinatra noticed her son had a talent for singing and asked if a few strings could be pulled so Frank could make it big time.The rest is history,apart from the Mafia never let Frank forget where it all came from!!! There was also ,alledgedly,actual tape recordings of a conversation between 2 Mafia leaders who were p**sed over something,which my memory won't recall,something Frank,Dean Martin and Sammy Davies Jr had done/said, and these 2 guys were talking of bumping them off,but they came up with ,they're worth more alive than dead.So they had them play VIP in Vegas in the casino's so the audience would pay top dollar to see these guys sing and then go into a rigged room to have their money (which was substancial amounts) syphened away from them,tax free of course,which turned out to be an unavoidable contract for the boys. Deano...
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/26/02 05:53 PM
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Humphrey Bogart was the original founder of the Rat Pack,along with his wife Lauren Bacall,David Niven and a host of other leading Hollywood actors who wanted more say/control over their careers and financial packages,there'd be discreet private parties at 'Bogeys' house and eventually they saw Frank Sinatra as a rebellious figure who'd be an ideal leader or chairman acting/speaking on their behalf.Over the years the popularity grew over the Rat Pack, but Frank,Dean Martin,Sammy Davies Jr, Peter Lawford and Joey Bishop became headlined with the name of the 'RAT PACK' by the media, and still do today!!! Deano......
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Re: The Rat Pack
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09/26/02 07:09 PM
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The most important thing to remember is that Frank,Dean and Sammy were excellent entertainers, and their music still is.Here in the U.K their C.D's still sell very well.Every time i walk into my local music store i come across a new, or should i say, a re-release of a LIVE performance at the Sands in Vegas, or some compilation or another and i can't resist but to but it/them. Deano...... ![](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/smile.gif)
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