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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/30/04 12:44 PM
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DonMichaelCorleone
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/30/04 03:47 PM
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AppleOnYa
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Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone: ... I didn't get the same vibe when he was in power as I did with Vito and Michael. He just didn't seem to fit the part... Nobody got the same 'vibe' toward Sonny as they had toward Vito. Sonny did not command the same type of respect and fondness that Don Vito had definitely earned over the years. And you're right...he didn't fit the part. Still though, he was considered 'acting' Don and his orders were followed; that's all that mattered to him. Originally posted by DonMichaelCorleone: ... I can't see the don of a family rushing out of the house with no protection to go beat someone up. I understand that is his hotheadedness showing through but to me stuff like that just "lost" his effectiveness at being a don. Which is exactly why Barzini was so successful in setting the trap. And when Sonny actually fell for the trap... not only did he lose his 'effectiveness' at being a Don...he lost his life. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/30/04 03:49 PM
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/30/04 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: And I don't know about anybody else...but when Sonny died I saw plenty of emotion coming out of both Vito and Tom (in one of the best scenes in the film, by the way). Yes, indeed, one of the best scenes. The way Brando made his face fall, then recover, has never been duplicated. He did it again, almost, when he uncovered Sonny's body at Bonasera's funeral parlor. Amazing acting!
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/31/04 09:03 AM
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AppleOnYa
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Originally posted by Turnbull: [QUOTE] ...The way Brando made his face fall, then recover, has never been duplicated... And not only that, but the look on his face just before Tom tells him about Sonny...you know he's bracing himself for some very bad news. Then he just releases...so beautifully done. Brando moments like that occur throughout the entire film. Some critic whose name escapes me hit the mark when he said that Brando does things in this movie that NO ONE else could've ever of (including the orange peel teeth). And DonMichaelCorleone...do yourself a favor and don't watch the movies and JUST look for the things people mention here. Part of the joy of enjoying them over and over is you catch something new, gain a new insight to something almost every time...without even trying (especially in GFII)! I've never 'analyzed' either film. I just watched. Much more fun that way. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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08/31/04 10:45 AM
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In the book, Don Vito's face fell, and then recovered, much like Marlon Brando's face in the movie.
I agree, Sonny is a bad don, but there are more than his own character flaws. For example, Tessio and Clemenza are not really all that young to handle the troops. It states this in the book, and in various scenes in the movie. (We see Clemenza and Tessio in various poses at the mattresses, but not decisively leading but resting and trying to recuperate.) Also, Tom, for all of his brilliance cannot deal with the cunning of the other five Families. The tricks they use to smoke out Sonny, and using Carlos are great. Sonny also did not have the political connections to make any type of deal to force the other five Families to capitulate. His greatest asset was the fear and bloodshed that he could unleash against the others.
Once they realized that they could not reason with Sonny, he had to go. This would force Don Vito Corleone back in the picture, and with all the bloodshed, it was the same deal as Solozzo-- without Solozzo.
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Re: Sonny as the Don
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09/13/04 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by DE NIRO: sonny would have caused a war alot earlier had he lived. Sonny DID cause a war by giving the go-ahead for Michael to kill Sollozzo. Everybody was prepared for that. There was a war going on when Sonny was killed. His murder is what prompted Vito to negotiate to end the war, and bring Michael home. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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