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Tom Hagen's "Death"
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10/16/02 04:12 PM
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Part III, Tom Hagen is dead. How did he die? Was it natural causes? Was he killed? What exactly happened to him? (Other than the fact the Robert Duval didn't want to be in Part III) What do you guys think?
"Be discreet in all things, and so render it unnecessary to be mysterious about any." - Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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10/16/02 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Omar Suarez: Originally posted by Paul Pisano: [b]Hi, I think someone here mentioned Tom died of cancer.
Paul I thought it was a car accident. Though Paul, your probably right. You always are.[/b]------------------------------------------ Naw, naw, dat was no car accident.....
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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I suspect foul play. Seems fishy his son became a priest instead of a lawyer, too.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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Originally posted by PastaPunk: I suspect foul play. Seems fishy his son became a priest instead of a lawyer, too. --------------------------------------------- Hmmm....The Don had plans for Mike's future, but look how that turned out. Just a guess here, Tom probably advised his son NOT to become a lawyer on purpose in order to avoid possibly becoming the family's next lawyer. Just a guess. Funny how we here at the board can come up with various (better) ideas for GFIII script plots than what Coppola did.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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10/16/02 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by PastaPunk: I suspect foul play. Seems fishy his son became a priest instead of a lawyer, too. Sometimes I wonder if Michael had him killed. I mean, those two didn't seem to be getting along too well at the end of Part II. I know it seems unlikely, but there is a twenty year gap between the two stories. Who knows...
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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10/17/02 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by Don Mikey: Originally posted by PastaPunk: [b]I suspect foul play. Seems fishy his son became a priest instead of a lawyer, too. Sometimes I wonder if Michael had him killed. I mean, those two didn't seem to be getting along too well at the end of Part II. I know it seems unlikely, but there is a twenty year gap between the two stories. Who knows...[/b]I said it elsewhere but I'll repeat. If Tom had fallen out of Michael's favor and gotten whacked, like Fredo, the Hagen family would have also been cast out. We don't see Deanna anywhere in 3, do we? Yet Teresa and Andrew Hagen are clearly still part of the family. I just write it off to some sort of natural cause or illness. Though it is frustrating knowing the real reason.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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Originally posted by Tom Hagen: [QUOTE]...We don't see Deanna anywhere in 3, do we? Yet Teresa and Andrew Hagen are clearly still part of the family.... We don't see Deanna in Part 3 because it is pretty obvious that she & Fredo had parted ways at some point during Part 2. Same for Connie & Merle. In any case, neither made a good impression on Michael & the family at Anthony's Communion party. Completely different from Teresa Hagan, and even Sonny's wife...who were clearly members of the family for many years, despite the deaths of their spouses. Apple
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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05/13/04 08:41 PM
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I believe that it had something to do with his heart but i have also heard lung cancer.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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05/13/04 09:17 PM
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I dont think we actually find out how he died
Perhaps Andrew became a priest because Frank became a lawyer, younger brothers often want to take a different path from the older e.g. Mike
Sandra Corleone should have been given more lines, and an appearence in part III, perhaps a meeting with her husbands bastard son.
Yes great point about Tom not being killed because the Hagen family are still about HOWEVER,the promise of Pentangelis family being looked after was what drove Frankie to slash his own wrists, sooooooo maybe???
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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05/14/04 02:45 AM
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I have a thread going in the GF IV forum which spins the idea that Tom Hagen did not die at all, but went underground to escape either 1) the Feds or 2) gangland enemies who wanted him dead. Either one is certainly plausible. The Corleone Family would have the wherewithal to make Tom "disappear," set up a fake identity, etc etc. if for some reason he wanted to get out of sight of the Feds for a decade or so. In order to preserve this charade, Michael would tell anyone who asked about Tom, "Oh yeah, he died." And as a formre consigliere and family lawyer, he would probably have been leaned on hard by the feds for information , creating the scenario of him going in the "official" Witness Protection Program. so my GF IV script would feature a mid-60ish hair-dyed and sunglasses-wearing Tom Hagen reappearing to Michael in the mid-1980s after 20 years undercover.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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05/15/04 09:08 AM
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hehe, i agree The first 2 films would never have been as great without Hagen, he definitely deserved more dialogue
Sonny - Well then, business will have to suffer, all right? And listen, do me a favor, Tom. No more advice on how to patch things up, just help me win, please
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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I remember hearing it had something to do with his heart...or cancer...heart...cancer? He died, thats all I know!
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."-Billy Joel
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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Originally posted by tamalie: Michael killing Tom seems totally out of the question to me. Certainly they didn't always see eye to eye, but there also was always a sense of respect that existed between them. For that matter, when the chips were down at the end of GFII, Tom was loyal to Michael. I agree, there's no reason to speculate that it could have been foul play. If there had been foul play the script would have mentioned it, not alot but enough for you to perk your ears. For instance with the Clemenza death CiCi says something like "that was no heart attack", with that small line we know there was foul play involved and it involved the Rosato's because Frankie says, "thats what I came to talk about" or something like that. FFC gave us a little teaser then left it up to our imaginations, theres nothing like that with Tom. People die ordinary deaths in real life I think Tom's was something like that. Not everyone that dies in GF has to die dramatically.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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06/21/04 01:56 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I would not be surprised to find out that I am, but didn't I read or hear that Tom did die of cancer and that Michael was truly sorry about his death? If there was such a feud between the two men, why would Michael take care of Tom's family? I know someone will say that Michael felt guilty and softened with age, but in this case, I believe he truly respected Tom and wanted the best for his family.
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Re: Tom Hagen's "Death"
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06/21/04 02:05 PM
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I think we are reading into his death a little too much. It is clear that Coppola wanted the viewer to doubt the explanation given for Clemenza's death, but with Hagen, I think it is what it is. He died of natural causes, and Michael remains close with his son and wife. As it was brough up before, if Hagen was killed, I think his family would not be as close with the Corleone's as they are.
It would have been so nice if Hagen was in Part 3 so we could see the end of the struggle between them, however, I think that they would have ended up together because Michael had regretted killing Fredo anyways. Unlikely that he would have done anything to Tom, even if provoked.
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