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"Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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05/28/02 09:48 AM
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Two seeming anomalies in "Goodfellas": 1. Tommy, Jimmy and Henry are so certain that Batts is dead after his beating in The Suite, that they wrap him in a sheet, toss him in the trunk of Henry's car, start off to bury him, and allow themselves a long pause to have a meal with Tommy's mother. They appear to be genuinely surprised when, on the way to the burial ground, they hear banging in the trunk: Henry even says, "What the f**k was that?" They have to stop the car, then Tommy stabs Batts repeatedly and Jimmy shoots him. Nasty surprise, and makes for a dramatic moment. BUT: if they were certain he was dead at the suite, and surprised that he was still alive later, why did Tommy earlier borrow that big kitchen knife from his mother? Did Scorsese change the sequence in the final cut? 2. Scorsese is almost as meticulous about details as is Coppola. In the scene where Tommy shoots Stacks, he even makes sure that we see spent cartridges being ejected from Tommy's .45, and hear them clinking on the floor. But later, when Tommy gets his, the treatment is really primitive: Tommy's "head wound" and "blood" look as if someone drew them on the negative with a colored pen. Why?
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Re: "Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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05/28/02 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: Two seeming anomalies in "Goodfellas": 1. Tommy, Jimmy and Henry are so certain that Batts is dead after his beating in The Suite, that they wrap him in a sheet, toss him in the trunk of Henry's car, start off to bury him, and allow themselves a long pause to have a meal with Tommy's mother. They appear to be genuinely surprised when, on the way to the burial ground, they hear banging in the trunk: Henry even says, "What the f**k was that?" They have to stop the car, then Tommy stabs Batts repeatedly and Jimmy shoots him. Nasty surprise, and makes for a dramatic moment. BUT: if they were certain he was dead at the suite, and surprised that he was still alive later, why did Tommy earlier borrow that big kitchen knife from his mother? Did Scorsese change the sequence in the final cut? 2. Scorsese is almost as meticulous about details as is Coppola. In the scene where Tommy shoots Stacks, he even makes sure that we see spent cartridges being ejected from Tommy's .45, and hear them clinking on the floor. But later, when Tommy gets his, the treatment is really primitive: Tommy's "head wound" and "blood" look as if someone drew them on the negative with a colored pen. Why? Hmm, DeSimone was crazy maybe he REALLY did think he had to hack off a deer hoof. 1. MAYBE they planned to cut him up at the burial site. When they later dug him up they found: arms, legs, hearts..."Here's a wing!" 2. STax murder was a proven fact, DeSimoen's murder was speculated, and not much is known, th ebody was never found. Scorsese wouldn't want DeSimone to pop up after the movie and say that nevr happened, or whatever. ALSO, in Wiseguys..when henry pulls over to finish off Batts, DeSimone finishes him off with the shovel, not gun and knife. But this scene with stills and slow-motion of DeNiro's shots with the explosion of light is an AWESOME Effect. Goodfellas Question...WHen Karen goes to meet Conway near the end when Henry is in jail, he makes her walk down th street to pick upa dress. What is the significance of that? was he going to have her whacked? What were the men doing there? What made Karen turn awy and leave?
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Re: "Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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05/29/02 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ricardo:
Goodfellas Question...WHen Karen goes to meet Conway near the end when Henry is in jail, he makes her walk down th street to pick upa dress. What is the significance of that? was he going to have her whacked? from my point of view, i believe she will be whacked! GoodFella
Life Goes On"What're You Gonna Do Now, Tough Guy?" The Notorious Phrase that Would'nt Go Away.
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Re: "Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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05/30/02 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ricardo: Anyway, we're looking for Plot Holes in Story NOT Goofs in Filming.
HOW would Jimmy have whacke Karen, were the men expecting Karen? Karen came to Jimmy on her own.
If Oggie says it, it MUST be true. hehehe. from what i've read. Jimmy Burke wanted to whacked all those who knew about the Lufthansa heist including the wives so that he'll get all the money . . . GoodFella
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Re: "Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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05/30/02 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by goodfellaoggie: [quote]Originally posted by Ricardo: [b]Anyway, we're looking for Plot Holes in Story NOT Goofs in Filming.
HOW would Jimmy have whacke Karen, were the men expecting Karen? Karen came to Jimmy on her own.
If Oggie says it, it MUST be true. hehehe. from what i've read. Jimmy Burke wanted to whacked all those who knew about the Lufthansa heist including the wives so that he'll get all the money . . . GoodFella[/b][/quote]Would he whack his own wife? At least he's ot Fredo, he might have whacked himself to keep him from talking about Lufthansa!
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Re: "Goodfellas" slip-ups?
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06/09/02 02:09 AM
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The reason he asked what the noise was is that henry atleast the movie's henry wasn't real used to that kind of thing.
"Fredo, you're my older brother, and I love you. But never take sides against the family again. Ever." -Micheal Corleone-(The Godfather)
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