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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/17/04 09:23 PM
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waynethegame
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Freddie C. is right. I always figured that they drugged Geary's drink (probably drugged the girl too) and Neri killed her. That way the Corleone family had a way to blackmail him if he didn't accept their "friendship".
Wayne
"Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger." Don Lucchesi
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/17/04 10:55 PM
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Of course its obvious, they picked a girl with no family and no one knew she was there and it was run by Fredo, how much of a "coincidence" is that?
"Well you just do what I tell you to do! Goddamn it! If I had a wartime consiglieri -- a Sicilian -- I wouldn't be in this shape! Pop had Genco -- look what I got." - Sonny Corleone
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/17/04 11:42 PM
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That's Tom Hagan as Ashton Kutcher in the Godfather version of Punk'd...the horse's head...Woltz, you been punk'd...Geary at the ranch...Senator, you been punk'd!
tony b.
"Kid, these are my f**kin' work clothes." "You look good in them golf shoes. You should buy 'em"
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Krlea: As much as I hate this scene, it's an important part of the film, mainly to gain Geary's trust, but also it shows Tom's darker side. Every other scene where he is manipulative, he is almost too cool and makes you believe he is innocent to all of this. It is this scene that convinces me that Tom could have made a great Don. It's a shame he wasn't Sicilian, I'm positive that's the only thing that held Vito back from naming him Don. If you need any further proof, just look at the scene where Mike gives full power to Tom. That shows that Mike believed that Tom had what it takes to be Don.
"Growing up my dad was like 'You have a great last name, Galifianakis. Galifianakis...begins with a gal...and ends with a kiss...' I'm like that's great dad, can we get it changed to 'Galifianafuck' please?" -- Zach Galifianakis
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 05:40 AM
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Remember Vito Andolini
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Who gave the order to kill the hooker? Was it Mike or Tom?
Ricky Roma: You are here to help us... does that seem clear to you? That's your job... To help us, not to fuck us up... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy! You company man!
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 06:01 AM
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Originally posted by waynethegame: Freddie C. is right. I always figured that they drugged Geary's drink (probably drugged the girl too) and Neri killed her. That way the Corleone family had a way to blackmail him if he didn't accept their "friendship". How could Geary manage to have rough sex with the hooker when he was drugged and possibly unconscious like Woltz? When Tom entered the room, Geary was very awake and sweaty. He even said he did it many times with her like that. It didn't sound like he was drugged. How could Al Neri kill the girl while Geary was riding her?
Ricky Roma: You are here to help us... does that seem clear to you? That's your job... To help us, not to fuck us up... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy! You company man!
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 09:19 AM
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I assumed he DIDN'T have sex with her that time.. remember she was tied to the bed, so he said "We'd done it before.." meaning they had done the kinky stuff other times, but this time he blacked out so couldn't remember if he did anything or not.
Wayne
"Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger." Don Lucchesi
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 10:15 AM
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I don't recall anything that said Woltz was drugged.. the novel I think says Khartoum was drugged up (I guess that makes it a humane killing??)
Wayne
"Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger." Don Lucchesi
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 10:18 AM
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Remember Vito Andolini
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Wait, Woltz was druged too?? Is that the way they got the horses head in his bed without him knowing, or was he just a sound sleeper? He looked a bit stoned when he got out of bed. So he must be druged. There was no way they could have put something as heavy as a dead horse head on his bed without waking him up if he wasn't druged.
Ricky Roma: You are here to help us... does that seem clear to you? That's your job... To help us, not to fuck us up... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy! You company man!
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 02:35 PM
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Remember Vito Andolini
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Would Vito approve the killing of the innocent hooker to muscle Geary if he were still alive?
Ricky Roma: You are here to help us... does that seem clear to you? That's your job... To help us, not to fuck us up... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy! You company man!
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by Remember Vito Andolini: Would Vito approve the killing of the innocent hooker to muscle Geary if he were still alive? I don't think he would have, and I also think that's why it was done.. to show how different the Family became without Vito's leadership. The fact that Tom (who was acting as Don at that time, remember) would have an innocent person killed only to make a point, nevermind Michael's killing of his brother (no matter how justified it may be) serves to show that without Vito, the Corleone family was starting on a downward spiral.
Wayne
"Finance is a gun. Politics is knowing when to pull the trigger." Don Lucchesi
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by Remember Vito Andolini: Would Vito approve the killing of the innocent hooker to muscle Geary if he were still alive? This is an example of FFC and Puzo showing us how ruthless Michael Corleone had become: Woltz rejected Vito's offer in almost the same way that Geary rejected Michael's proposition, including ethnic insults ("guinea Mafia goombah," vs. "oily hair, silk suits, pass yourselves off as decent Americans"). Vito killed a horse to make his point on Woltz, Michael had a hooker killed to force his on Geary. When Vito was in charge, no civilians were killed in family wars, and Clemenza told Sonny that it was safe for Michael to visit Kay in NYC because "Sollozzo knows he's a civilian." By the end of the film, Michael's Great Massacre of 1955 saw the murder of a hooker in bed with Tattaglia; a chauffer and bodyguard with Barzini (the chauffer possibly a civilian), and (probably) the elevator operator in the elevator with Stracchi. You might argue that all those civilians were "incidental casualties" (wrong place, wrong time). But, in GFII, Michael planned the murder of the hooker for the sole purpose of snaring Geary.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/18/04 11:09 PM
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So Mike gave the order to kill the hooker and not Tom?
Ricky Roma: You are here to help us... does that seem clear to you? That's your job... To help us, not to fuck us up... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy! You company man!
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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07/19/04 09:15 AM
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I think Michael gave the go-ahead for the move, but the details were devised by Tom.
...there's people who would pay a lot of money for that information. But then your daughter would lose a father..instead of gaining a husband.
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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05/16/17 03:53 AM
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U talkin' da me ??
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Originally posted by Remember Vito Andolini: So Mike gave the order to kill the hooker and not Tom? I don't think Tom would order a murder without Michael's initiative or approval. Also, since Fredo ran the brothel, Michael must have known before his confrontation with Geary that Geary frequented the place. Yes, that's why Michael confidently told Geary at their meeting that he would like Geary to pay the licensing fee. Michael, with his knowledge that the Senator frequented that brothel, knew that blackmail was surely in the Senator's future. In a way it was personal, after the insults to his family, but it was essentially a business move. Michael probably talked over possibilities with Neri before the Tahoe meeting with Geary. Who know how Vito got officials "in his pocket"... Vito was capable of murder. And murdering with a knife. Don Ciccio probably was not Vito's first "hands on" murder.
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Re: Senator Pat Geary
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08/28/17 09:11 AM
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Most ridiculous part of the movie. Why would the Senator use a bawdy house owned by his enemy and open himself to blackmail. There is no shortage of prostitutes in Las Vegas,NV(or Washington, DC). He could easily have gone somewhere else.
The man says don't talk to me deal with Turnbull then heads to Fredo's pleasure palace. I can't see it. I don't see any inconsistency here. I doubt that they advertised that Fredo operated (not owned) the brothel. Even if he saw Fredo around the place, it's not likely that he would have recognized him as Michael's brother. Remember, Fredo wasn't in the Tahoe meeting with him. I think it's likely that Geary was already a customer before he and the Corleones crossed swords. He admits to a history with that particular prostitute. Plus, he is so arrogant that he probably didn't think there would be any risk to going there, even if he knew the connection to the Corleones.
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