Poor DC. He's been abandoned here to wade through all of this putrescent garbage that has been spouted out here. Allow me to assist you, my friend.

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Originally posted by plawrence:
As long as there are individuals - acting pretty much alone and on their own initiative - who want to engage in these types of actions, I don't see that there is much that anyone - not Clinton, not Bush, not our next president - can do to stop them, short of just getting lucky and simply stumbling upon them.
Sure there is. Liberals won't like it, but there are ways.

First of all, let's stop cutting the governments throat when it comes to surveillance and intelligence. Holy shit. The NY Times announces to the terrorists when we've got new technology to find them out, and then left-wing groups shout out how its going to be Big Brother watching us and stealing our privacy.

Secondly, let's not have another Clinton fire-sale when it comes to human intelligence and covert technology. After the GHW Bush administration left, President Clinton made deep cuts to the intelligence capabilities of this country, which contributed (in part) to 9/11. Let's get more human intelligence, and more R&D to get this people what they need to infiltrate and dissolve these groups from within.

Finally, let's be smart about this. We should really stop fucking around with stuff that doesn't concern us. Didn't anyone learn from LBJ's mistake of Vietnam? Okay. We thought Iraq had WMD's. Good. Take out Saddam (and I mean, take him out as in, yes, .22 through the skull) and his sons, get rid of any weapons install a government friendly to the US (ala the Shah of Iran) and leave. Keep the government on a short leash, maybe have them make some reforms, keep the country intact. Don't start a huge fucking war. We also don't need to be pissing on the Israeli situation right now. Our soldiers were slaughtered the last time we were in Lebanon. Let Israel handle their own problems. Besides, its not like we don't give them the arms and such anyways. They're big boys. They can deal with it. They did it to the PLO in the early 80's, they can certainly do it now. Let's use them as our Big Stick in the Middle East, but stop sticking our nose in if we don't want to get punched in the face.

That alone would bring down oil prices, and removing a visible US presence would relieve international pressure, as well as allowing our covert teams to infiltrate the terrorist groups easier.

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Originally posted by dontomasso:
Well well well, DC, one of the people you already tried and convicted as a "terrorist" has been let free. I know how these cumbersome and disturbing principles like due process and presumtion of innocence get in the way of your blood lust.
Oh, yes. Wow. 1 out of how many? Gee. I guess that's not too bad. Still batting over .500. Now please shut up.

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Originally posted by dontomasso:
George Bush had the chance to get Bin Laden AFTER 9/11 and he blew it at Tora Bora

I guess e was too damn busy getting all the bin Laden Family members out of the country on 9/12 (when all other plabes were grounded, and later holding hands with that Saudi Prince.
Right. Because he was standing in the middle of the desert with a big fucking target on his turban, right?

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Originally posted by Saladbar:
The question is are our actions in the Middle East only exacerbating this? Given that terrorism has risen trifold, I say yes.
Sure. And that's why I listed the solutions to this problem earlier in my post. But I don't think that our actions in itself have exacerbated terrorism to the extent of trifold, since terrorism has been on the rise in general since the 50's and 60's.

But even that won't alleviate the terrorist problem, since it is the oil-driven poverty in these nations that leads to malcontents who mindlessly follow Bin Laden and his fellow manipulators. The young men and women who have no future in these countries because the ruling regimes are corrupt and useless, and economies based soley on oil. Imagine how fucked it will be when the oil runs out.

Also, even if the US is gone, they'll still be pissed off at Israel, and want to kill the Jews, and in turn blame us for supporting them. America will always be a scapegoat to these formerly pissant Muslim countries, we just have to stop giving a shit and go back to the Eisenhower formula of covertly "helping" friendly US governments into power to control the disgruntled Muslims. Britain and France are having their own Muslim problems, whic go to show it isn't just the US that has become the scapegoat...rather, Western civilization in general has become the target for these economically repressed, religiously driven malcontents.

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Originally posted by Saladbar:
And, they don't hate us for just the sake of it. They want us to get the fuck out of their region and mind our own business when it comes to Mid East affairs. Despite the hype, they don't necessarily "hate our freedom." They fear that we're trying to eradicate their culture and replace it with ours. (We've done it before, and we can do it again.) Most Muslim men probably don't care that Western women are running around half-naked-- they just don't want their wives and daughters doing the same thing. I think vacating the Holy Lands and areas where Muslims live and worship would be a nice start.
Oh, no, I think you're quite wrong, they do hate us for our Westernization in general, and we make very good scapegoats when it comes to the plight of the Middle East. Frankly the "cultural eradication" is coming from them - killing people, knocking down buildings, no good. Then again, any culture with women in cages can't be much of a culture. But hey, live and let live.

Which would be fine, if that's what they wanted to do.

Unfortunately, they want to kill us. Oh well. Kumbaya. You can't tell me that even if we left, terrorist acts against the United States would stop. Again, I think my aforementioned plan would help, but there will always be these terrorists in one form or another, we just have to be as prepared as possible.

Yes, they certainly do hate our freedom. The fuckwits that are attacking us desire one thing - control - over their women, over their people. With the governments as they stand in the Middle East, they don't have it. And so it's by default, our fault - one way or another - for supporting Israel, for buying their fucking oil, whatever.

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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
Please, spare me your bullshit!
Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Best,
DJ