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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Actually, the following is an interesting opine about Mike Farrell's political record. Mike Farrell: Art of Deception
By Jean Pearce
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 3, 2003
By now, Mike Farrell probably figures he’s got the nation fooled. For over 20 years, the Hollywood actor turned peace activist has flawlessly played the part of the pacifist patriot with America’s best interests at heart. Farrell is quite convincing when he’s in character, as he has been since he propelled himself to the forefront of the Iraq war protest movement. Without batting an eye, Farrell will tell you how much it would pain him to see Iraqi or American blood spilled in the unjust war on Iraq.
Farrell is counting on the fact that no one remembers another part he played one Friday night, 18 years ago in San Salvador. For 2 ½ hours, Farrell, who played a surgeon on M*A*S*H, assisted Dr. Alejandro Sanchez in a real-life operation to restore movement to the arm of Nidia Diaz, a guerilla leader of the Marxist Central American Worker’s Party. Just two months before, the group had claimed responsibility for the slaying of four U.S. Marines, two American businessmen and nine civilians. Diaz is still barred from entering the U.S. for her role in the murders.
"Apparently, it was the most important role in his life," Sandra "Sand" Brim of Medical Aid for El Salvador told the Associated Press at the time. The U.S.-based Medical Aid, which was founded by Farrell’s long-time friend and radical activist buddy, actor Ed Asner, flew in the Los Angeles doctor because there was no surgeon available with the skills to perform the delicate operation. Because he needed someone to assist him, Sanchez asked Farrell, who at the time was in Central America at the behest of Amnesty International, for help on the way to the hospital.
"I know this is going to look like a publicity stunt, but that’s too bad. It isn’t," Farrell told the Los Angeles Times after the operation.
If not a publicity stunt, than what was it? A good-hearted effort to put a Marxist terrorist with American blood on her hands back in the battlefield to prey upon the very civilians Farrell claimed to want to help?
By 1985, Farrell and a small handful of Hollywood actors had become a thorn in the side of the Reagan administration, which spent millions aiding the Nicaraguan Contras in their battle against the Cuban and Soviet-backed Marxist Sandinistas. Farrell and Asner’s group, Committee of Concern for Central America, even went so far as to invite Nicaragua’s Communist Sandinista leader, Daniel Ortega, for a nine-day publicity tour of American cities, the purpose of which, The Washington Post reported, was to counter the Reagan administration’s "disinformation" effort against Nicaragua’s communist government. At the final event, a fundraiser for the Committee of Concern, the Post reported that Ortega raised his fist in the air and shouted "If the United States commits the error of invading us, we know we will struggle with you at our side," which elicited cheers from the audience.
This is the real Mike Farrell – Marxist sympathizer, militant anti-American, selective pacifist with a disdain for the American blood that flows through his own veins.
Like the other Hollywood radicals who spent years "helping" in Nicaragua and El Salvador in direct opposition to U.S. efforts to combat communism at America’s doorstep, Farrell would probably insist that they were merely trying to help Nicaraguan civilians who were suffering at the hands of the Contras the U.S. supported.
But in the1990s, after the people of Nicaragua deep-sixed Ortega’s violent government and voted out the communist Sandinistas, the Hollywood crowd scattered like roaches from the light. When Hurricane Mitch killed 11,000 and devastated Central America in 1998 Farrell and his Committee of Concern were nowhere to be found.
So what exactly was Farrell up to while thousands of Nicaraguan children died of starvation? What could possibly have been more important to the man who once offered himself to the media as Central America’s anti-Contra protector and spokesman?
Apparently, sparing convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal from the death penalty and setting him free took precedence. Farrell’s only public appearance of note in the months after the hurricane was a stint on 20/20 in which Farrell, who once co-chaired the New York-based Committee to Save Mumia Abu-Jamal, was summarily shellacked by ABC newsman Sam Donaldson.
Given his history, it would be easy to brush Farrell off if he weren’t so good at grabbing the limelight when he wants to make a point. Like lesser-known activists with Marxist credentials, Farrell seems to have the formula for using the media to reach the public down pat. He simply creates a protest group, signs up half of Hollywood, then uses their combined star power as leverage to weigh in on an issue. It’s what he did while stumping for the Sandinistas, and what he did again with the help of actor Martin Sheen when he launched Artists United to Win Without War in September.
With about $300,000, a couple of ads and a web site, Farrell and his friends set up a virtual march on Washington to protest the war that resulted in thousands of phone calls and faxes from 80,000 people who signed up online to harass Congress and the White House with anti-war messages.
Once again, Farrell had gotten away if not with murder, then with aiding and abetting it .
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/25/06 12:51 PM
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Nothing at all, assuming one understands that there are different kinds of 'peace'. Not all of them are necessarily a good. However the main intent of the game was following up on SB's initial statement. 
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/25/06 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Enzo Scifo:
[quote]Originally posted by Double-J:
[b] [quote]Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
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Or Mike Farrell.
Yeah, I forget...I remember seeing footage of him at some big peace conference [/b][/quote]Uhm, I don't want to ruin the game, but what's so wrong at attending a conference for peace  [/b][/quote]Besides what Apple said, look at what he's supported, like the bloody leftist guerrilas in El Salvador (read the article). Does that advocate peace? By supporting these murderers, just because they are socialist-leftists?
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/25/06 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
Don Cardi - I think that the crew/passengers list you posted was that of Flight 11, one of the two that crashed into the WTC. Only saying that because I noticed the name of producer David Angell.
Apple Yes Apple, you are right. I cut and pasted the wrong passenger list from the site which lists the names of those killed on flight 77, the plane that DID crash into the pentagon. Here is the correct list of crew and passengers : http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html Yes, the list of people that I orignally posted were from flight 11, you know, the one that really didn't crash into the WTC either, the one where the passengers and crew were also part of this huge conspiracy and are now living with the passengers from flight 77, and Elvis, on some secret secluded island in the Carribean :rolleyes: . Thanks for pointing my error out. Don Cardi 
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
[QUOTE]...Hey, who the hell are we to challenge what Charlie Sheen has said? After all he is an expert on planes and such.... I'm still waiting to hear Charlie's explanatin as to WHY the gov't would orchestrate the 'controlled demolition' of the WTC back in September, 2001. Surely he's come up with some sort of theory, based upon '..the people I talk to, and the research I've done and around my circles...' I sure hope that Charlie's continues his mission to reveal 'the truth'. After all, as he states, "...we owe it to the victims, we owe it to everyone's life who was drastically altered, horrifically, that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened." And if he can't, what he owes them is one big fat apology. Apple
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/25/06 07:35 PM
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Well, the logic could go something like this.....
That the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attack, and rather than trying to prevent it they decided instead to "help it along" so they would have an excuse to embark on a war against Muslim extremism.
I am certainly no believer in those extreme conspiracy theories that involve such ideas as "the airplanes weren't airplanes but holograms", or the like.
But given the lies we've been told by our government over the past forty years or so, and the cover-ups that went along with many of those lies, I certainly wouldn't be shocked or surprised to learn that there is a lot more to the story of the events of 9/11, and that our government was in some way involved in withholding or covering up all or part of the truth with respect to what really happened.
And I quite honestly don't see how or why a legitimate search for the truth - not far-fetched theories with which the "theorists" seek to generate publicity for themselves, but true searches for the truth by those who honestly believe that there is more to the story - in any way disrespects or dishonors the victims or their families.
If anything, in fact, the reverse is true. A real search for the truth honors the victims by refusing to let their memories fade away and get lost in the miasma of yet another government cover-up.
Remember, it was those who initially dis-believed the Warren Commission Report some 40+ years ago who were initially labeled "geeks" and "crackpots" and "publicity seekers", until the reality sunk in - a reality that today is believed by the vast najority of Americans - that the United States Government was indeed responsible or involved in some way in either a conspiracy to assassinate our president, the cover-up following the event itself or, very possibly, both.
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/25/06 08:37 PM
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:rolleyes: Way to go, plawrence...you just gave Charlie Sheen and his ilk their talking points. Of course, Howard Dean tried to hint at the Bush admin having foreknowledge and it was one of the things that helped to sink his 2004 campaign. An 'honest' search for the truth? To 'honor' the victims? Sounds like a job for ...... (drumroll, please) *** !!! NEAL PULCAWER !!! ****  :rolleyes: By the way - I too once believed in a gov't and/or mob conspiracy to eliminate JFK. Even did a High School oral report professing Oswald's innocence, or at least that he didn't act alone. Over the years though, I've pretty much changed my mind, mostly due to the fact that it was covered by one to many trash tabloid tv shows, including rehearsed testimonials given (or maybe sold) by the old lady who was LBJ's mistress at the time. The geeks and crackpots like to have reasons to mistrust their government, especially when the opposing party is in power. In many cases these are people with very limited lives, and it helps them feel powerful to pretend they have an upper hand in things, that they're professing you can't put one over on them. They're too smaaaaaatt!!! Not DUMB like everybody SAYS!!! :rolleyes: Apple
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/26/06 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by plawrence:
I certainly wouldn't be shocked or surprised to learn that there is a lot more to the story of the events of 9/11, and that our government was in some way involved in withholding or covering up all or part of the truth with respect to what really happened.
And I quite honestly don't see how or why a legitimate search for the truth - not far-fetched theories with which the "theorists" seek to generate publicity for themselves, but true searches for the truth by those who honestly believe that there is more to the story - in any way disrespects or dishonors the victims or their families.
If anything, in fact, the reverse is true. A real search for the truth honors the victims by refusing to let their memories fade away and get lost in the miasma of yet another government cover-up.
Apples and Oranges Plaw. There is no denying that our government has a history of coverups and withholding truths from the public. And I agree that a true investigation into the events of 9/11 and any intelligence or knowledge that could have possibly prevented those attacks should take place if there is any proof of a coverup or something of that nature. Yes, the truth being revealed is something that the families and all those directly affected by those attacks would be owed by a serious investigation. But you are talking about cover-ups of pre-intelligence, and issues of that nature. These idiots are talking about the government being a part of the attacks on September 11th and/or "creating" the appearance of a plane going into the pentagon and/or the government setting off bombs to make the WTC collapse. These crackpots are talking about a MAJOR conspiracy taking place, one that would involve people such as Susan Olsen and her husband being a part of this conspiracy. One that would have to incorporate 63 different poeple from different walks of life to make believe that they were killed on a plane that "supposedly" :rolleyes: crashed into the pentagon and then have them all dissapear to another part of the world to live where no one could ever know that they were really still alive. :rolleyes: What you are talking about in your post is completely different than calling for an investigation to find out if the government blew up the pentagon, blew up the WTC, and convinced the crews, passengers and maybe even some families to join them in creating this false attack and becoming part of this major conspiracy. So please don't insult our intelligence by mixing apples and oranges together under this topic. What's being presented by the originator of this topic and the kind of investigation and coverups that you are suggesting may have happened are two totally seprate issues and in no way go hand in hand. Talk about the conspiracy theory presented here, one that says that there never was a plane that crashed into the pentagon. Don't mix in pre-intelligence coverups by the government before the attacks with this crap. If you fell the need to discuss a coverup by our government of pre-intelligence, then do us and yourself a favor by starting another topic. Because your injecting those thoughts into this outrageous theory is both unfair and misleading. Apples and Oranges. Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/26/06 03:07 AM
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I beg to differ. Apples and oranges are both fruits - albeit ones of a different nature - and the complicity of the United States Government in the events of 9/11 is conspiracy and cover-up despite your attempt to make a distinction between crackpot theories about phantom planes and holograms and missing or brainwashed passengers and "cover-ups of pre-intelligence" Besides, who are you or I or anyone else to decide which conspiracy theories are "worthy" of discussion and which aren't? I know what you saw with your own eyes that day, and I too do not buy into these whacky theories, but please don't tell me to do myself and everyone else a favor by starting a separate topic to discuss some of the more valid ones, and don't tell me that I'm insulting anyone's intelligence here. The only people who's intelligence will be insulted by any of this are those who blindly follow the lead of our government and believe everything they are told. The U.S. Government's possible complicity and participation in the events of 9/11 is the topic of this thread, and I would not be the slightest bit surprised to klearn that it extended far beyond merely knowing that the attacks were coming and doing nothing to prevent them. What did I say in my first post? "That the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attack, and rather than trying to prevent it they decided instead to "help it along" so they would have an excuse to embark on a war against Muslim extremism." Like maybe help it along with a controled demolition of the buildings? Is that so far-fetched? Is that such a crackpot of a theory? Seems to me that if there are people who truly belive that's what happened, then it's worthy of discussion. I'm not say that that's what happened. I'm simply saying that I wouldn't be shocked or surpised to learn that that was the way it did happen. Originally posted by Don Cardi:
These crackpots are talking about a MAJOR conspiracy taking place That kind of made me chuckle. As if a "minor" comspiracy is in some way more acceptable or believeable? ANY part, howver small, that our government played in the events of 9/11 constitutes a "MAJOR" comspiracy, don't you think? Originally posted by Don Cardi:
What's being presented by the originator of this topic and the kind of investigation and coverups that you are suggesting may have happened are two totally separate issues and in no way go hand in hand. That may be your opinion, but I see it differently. I believe that the originator of this topic has come to a point where he feels it necessary to question the "official" version of 9/11. Perhaps he's a bit naive to believe some of the more outlandish and crackpot-like theories, but all of them begin with the same basic premise: That our government was in some way involved. So we are not talking about "two separate issues" here.
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
The geeks and crackpots like to have reasons to mistrust their government, especially when the opposing party is in power First of all, it has nothing to do with politics, at least from my POV. The Kennedy assassination and cover-up was engineered while the Democrats were in power and, if anything, i was even more outraged by it because it was my party in power who was responsible for the whole thing. And I personally hate the idea of having to live in mistrust of my government. Yes, it's true - "geeks and crackpots like to have reasons to mistrust their government", and many who do are and many who are do. But let's be sure we make one important distinction here: Not everyone who mistrusts the government is a geek or a crackpot.
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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You arch-conservative types can slam Charlie Sheen all day long. Go ahead and ridicule him and the other celebrities who speak out and stand up for peace. Point your fingers and label it a "conspiracy theory" if you want. Get bent out of shape if you want.
Look at the bigger picture.
An open mind will seek out information, take the necessary grains of salt, and draw it's own conclusions.
Sometimes it does become necessary to question the "official version" of events, as promulgated by the powers that be and the vested interests they represent.
Are reactionary chest-pounding and herd-mentality posture necessary in order to avoid the legitimate questions being raised here?
Like Don Vito knew very well, the U.S. Government does NOT have yours or my best interests at heart.
The truth, whatever it may be, hurts sometimes.
Now certainly, you far-right-wing nuts have the inalienable right to keep the wool firmly pulled over your own eyes. Go back to sleep. Or should I say go back to watching FOX News. Oink!
As far as "reality" vs. "conspiracy" I can tell you this:
I would not rule ANYTHING out when it comes to the evil gang of criminals who now control the U.S. Government, and their desperate attempts to consolidate and increase their power.
Something to think about...
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by Don Rico:
You arch-conservative types can slam Charlie Sheen all day long. Go ahead and ridicule him and the other celebrities who speak out and stand up for peace. Point your fingers and label it a "conspiracy theory" if you want. Get bent out of shape if you want. Sweet - we finally have permission! :rolleyes: Queen Isabella: Thought the world was flat, and believed it with all her heart and soul and mind, and, had no reason whatsover to NOT believe it...! Christopher Columbus: Knew better. Charlie Sheen is no Columbus, that's for damned sure.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey!  lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by J Geoff:
Queen Isabella: Thought the world was flat, and believed it with all her heart and soul and mind, and, had no reason whatsover to NOT believe it...! Anyone that Queen Isabella reminds you of?
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by plawrence:
What did I say in my first post?
"That the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attack, and rather than trying to prevent it they decided instead to "help it along" so they would have an excuse to embark on a war against Muslim extremism."
Like maybe help it along with a controled demolition of the buildings?
Is that so far-fetched? Is that such a crackpot of a theory?
Seems to me that if there are people who truly belive that's what happened, then it's worthy of discussion. Except for the fact that the theory is missing, oh, I don't know, evidence? The people who claim that this happened are not structural engineers. They are not demolitions experts. They have invented a hypothesis based upon no facts, research, or evidence. So yes, I think it is pretty far fetched, crackpot, as well as being wholly ignorant and irresponsible. Then again, I'm considering the source - Charlie Sheen. Originally posted by Don Rico:
You arch-conservative types can slam Charlie Sheen all day long. Go ahead and ridicule him and the other celebrities who speak out and stand up for peace. Point your fingers and label it a "conspiracy theory" if you want. Get bent out of shape if you want. First of all, we're ridiculing him because he opened his mouth and made a jackass of himself by posing a scenario with no factual basis or evidence (similar to what you posted originally from the Voltaire Network). Secondly, labeling us all "arch-conservatives" and telling us to "get bent" doesn't really help your argument, it simply makes you sound more desperate and unwilling to see the merits of our side of the debate. Essentially, it makes you look pretty foolish. Especially since the theory you are supporting comes from radical French leftists (as if being French and left didn't make you radical enough :p ). An open mind will seek out information, take the necessary grains of salt, and draw it's own conclusions.
Sometimes it does become necessary to question the "official version" of events, as promulgated by the powers that be and the vested interests they represent. But unlike the JFK Assassination (in which I believe wholeheartedly that there was some form of conspiracy), in this case, your/Voltaire Network's argument has NO evidence, NO witnesses, and NO logic behind it. Are reactionary chest-pounding and herd-mentality posture necessary in order to avoid the legitimate questions being raised here?
Like Don Vito knew very well, the U.S. Government does NOT have yours or my best interests at heart. I don't know what "herd-mentality" is, but I know that this is not a discussion of bovine ranching.  Seriously though, their is no posture, or reactionary chest-pounding, or "herd-mentality." We all disagree with what you posted because it is backed up by no evidence and is refuted by eyewitnesses and evidence. Now certainly, you far-right-wing nuts have the inalienable right to keep the wool firmly pulled over your own eyes. Go back to sleep. Or should I say go back to watching FOX News. Oink! Well, so much for serious debate. Go ahead and keep listening to the Voltaire Network/Utopian Asylum and regurgitate their pathetic leftist theories with no factual merit and believe in them wholeheartedly. FoxNews has more legitimacy and factual basis than the source of this crackpot theory. As far as "reality" vs. "conspiracy" I can tell you this:
I would not rule ANYTHING out when it comes to the evil gang of criminals who now control the U.S. Government, and their desperate attempts to consolidate and increase their power. Ooh! (Insert Finger Shaking Scott Hall Impersonation). Why don't you come back with some Illuminati or Masonic theories, and then we'll talk, eh? :rolleyes: I'd be willing to talk about Majestic 12 all day long. Something to think about... You should try that sometime...thinking, I mean.
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Originally posted by SC: You mean the world ain't flat???  Actually it really is flat. The American people were led to believe that it was round by the government. This way they would never realize that the government conspired to allow 9/11 to happen because with the world being flat the government was able to put all of those people that were supposedly on flight 77, which really didn't hit the pentagon, on a ship and make them sail off into the sunset to the edge of the earth so that the ship could dissapear with them on it and then the government could claim that a plane hit the pentagon with all of these people on board. This all started with the Royal family of Spain, through Christopehr Columbus, who would claim to discover a new land where a government could be put into place who could eventually conspire to stage an attack on the pentagon, claim that an airliner hit it, then orchastrate a rescue attempt and at the same time recruit 63 people along with their families to take part in this conspiracy and make believe that they were on that airliner that hit the pentagon, place fake phone calls to their loved ones, all the while really being on a cruise ship that would sail to the end of the earth and dissapear because the earth was really flat. The proof of this whole planned conspiracy taking affect since the days of Christopher Columbus and the Queen is in the fact that several of the hijackers were schooled in Spain before September 11th 2001. As an American citizen I demand that our government form a commission that will eventually expose that the world is indeed really flat and not round as the people of this country have been led to believe for so many years. Don Cardi
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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Originally posted by plawrence:
[QUOTE]...The Kennedy assassination and cover-up was engineered while the Democrats were in power and, if anything, i was even more outraged by it because it was my party in power who was responsible for the whole thing.... So you're saying that Kennedy WAS assasinated by his own government who then proceeded with the assistance of the Democratic party to cover it up? (insert Twilight Zone theme here) But on to the current topic of the 9/11 attacks. It's been four and a half years and there has been ample time for the 'honest' investigations which have taken place. It's been fully documented that the way the World Trade Center was built is what caused the buildings to collapse in the way they did. If Charlie Sheen wants to rant about 'controlled demolition', I guess he can consider the planes a part of that. Originally posted by plawrence:
[QUOTE]..."But let's be sure we make one important distinction here:
Not everyone who mistrusts the government is a geek or a crackpot." Fair enough. Whoever mistrusts the gov't when it comes to the planning and investigation of 9/11 attacks is a geek AND a crackpot. Apple
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/26/06 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
So you're saying that Kennedy WAS assasinated by his own government who then proceeded with the assistance of the Democratic party to cover it up?
(insert Twilight Zone theme here)
Apple Hah! Look at all those mindless crackpots, following the party that assassinated Kennedy (as well as the party that supported slavery, and abandoned LBJ when he initiated Civil Rights legislation)! I'm sticking with the party of Lincoln. 
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/26/06 09:35 AM
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"That the Bush administration had foreknowledge of the attack, and rather than trying to prevent it they decided instead to "help it along" so they would have an excuse to embark on a war against Muslim extremism."
Like maybe help it along with a controled demolition of the buildings?
So that would mean that the government would have had to know that two planes were going to hit the WTC on the morning of September 11th 2001 and would have needed to time everything perfectly and plant explosives strategically within those building at the exact locations of parts of the structure that would make the building implode and crumble at the push of a button. You're sugggesting that the government would allow all of those people to get on those planes, allow those planes to crash into the WTC and allow not only all of those on board those planes to die, but also allow the people in those building to die, allow people to jump out of windows to their deaths, allow the fireman and Policemen to go into those building, wait for them to reach a certain point in those buildings and then set off bombs to kill everyone in those buildings by making them collapse the way they did? The government would allow all of those people to get onto flight 93, fully knowing that the flight would be hijacked by terrorists, and allow those people to die so that they, the government, could create more hate for the muslim world? The government, to make it look good, would claim that antoher airliner that had 63 people on board was hijacked, and that it flew into the pentagon? This flight 77 hitting the pentagon was made up by the governemnt? So according to this theory that you want to entertain, there really was no flight 77 that flew into the pentagon. According to this theory that you want to allow to be heard, flight 77 never really hit the pentagon and therefore flight 77 and all those people on it, all the people who claimed to see it hit the pentagon, were part of this conspiracy? Or is it that these people never even really existed or they convinced by the government to become a part of this conspiracy? When I said MAJOR in my other post, I was trying to point out that it would have had to have been a MAJOR conspiracy on a GRAND scale because of how many thousands of people would have to be involved to cover this whole thing up. Not in the sense that some conspiracies are minor and others major. Of course all conspiracies are major. But my use of the world major was to point out the grand scale of how many people would have to be involved. So answer me this Plaw ; If you seriously think the conspiracy theory presented by the originator of this topic could possibly hold any water, then 1) Explain to us where flight 77 really went or if there even really was a flight 77. 2) Explain to us how tens of thousands of people from high up in government, through the military and right on down to the average citizen could ALL be made a part of this conspiracy and made to be kept quiet. And again, I'm not talking about the possibility of the government having prior knowledge or intelligence of an attack on our country. Soemthing like that itself is very very possible. I'm talking about THIS theory here of the government claiming that an airliner hit the Pentagon, when according to people like Charlie Sheen one really did not. Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Hey Check This Out
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03/26/06 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
So you're saying that Kennedy WAS assasinated by his own government who then proceeded with the assistance of the Democratic party to cover it up?
(insert Twilight Zone theme here) You know exactly what I'm saying - we've disussed the JFK assassination here enough times, I think. I believe that our government was complicit in some way in either the plot itself or the cover-up. The Democratic party was the party in power at the time, and it was LBJ and his Texas oil-millionaire friends who were just some of those who stood to gain the most by JFK's death, and it was LBJ who appointed the members of the Warren Commission - including Allen Dulles, Director of the CIA, who was certainly anything but an objective and disinterested investigator - and then urged the members of his party and the American people to accept the Commission's finding as the unvarnished truth.
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