To Afsanah:

So do terrorists, or the particular target in question, coincidentally.

However, aiming a bomb at Al Qaeda's media house is certainly not the same as killing your own child.

That would be cause and effect, not collateral damage, perhaps focusing on intent would be more proper in this case.

There is no intent to kill children during bombings. Does it happen? Regrettably so.

There is deliberate intent to kill children through abortion.

Firstly, if it is your statement, I would think that the burden of responsibility would fall upon yourself.

Secondly, I break up messages not to spin or confuse (I didn't realize the "quote" brackets made it so hard for you to delineate), but rather, to dissect each individual statement and its merit (or lack thereof).

You're saying that conservatives, like myself, quote, "try to eliminate the SSO altogether." However, I would think this is grossly incorrect, especially since most (if not all) conservative platforms advocate moderate-to-heavy reform rather than total elimination.

My point was that the groups I mentioned don't want to tear down America - but there are sects within them that wish to do so.

Similarly, your claim that Republicans want to eliminate social security is flawed in the same way - do some of them want this to happen? Probably. But does the majority? No.

Please don't apologize.

It warms my heart that one less Iranian wishes to emigrate to my fine country. Please continue to enjoy the mullahs, fatwahs, the Ayatollah's, and the Roses of the Prophet Mohammed. It shant be long before Iran decides to either war with Iraq or another neighbor, or go on an Israeli-killing spree, lending itself to annihilation from the Hebrews.

Cheers. We've already got enough anti-Americanism in this country as it is.

Actually, I think it comes down to those of us like Mad Johnny and myself who believe in the sanctity of innocent life (requisite qualifying statement should we happen to have the inevitable discussion on the death penalty for the 1000th time), and those like Afsanah and yourself who believe in the sanctity of convenient immorality and murder shadowed in the name of "women's rights."

Mad Johnny - Oh, most certainly, at the very least, castration would be in order.

To Plaw:

What about the elderly or the disabled then? If they are unable to make their own decisions regarding living, why can't we just hook them up to a suicide machine and decrease the surplus population?

Well, though I'm not advocating or supporting it, there is a thing called "female circumcision."

Do a Google search for Charlie Rangel.

Are you disagreeing with the idea that the poor and minorities are overrepresented in the Armed Forces?

I haven't heard the term. Though, I know there is some antimosity towards people from Long Island, deriving from what I have no idea.

Wouldn't you say there is a difference in what I said and what you are implying?

I said: "...my desire to leave Iraq immediately."

You said: "...everyone wants us out of Iraq ASAP."

There is no "ASAP" or "finishing the job" in my belief. They hate us over there. We've removed Saddam, and ensured he can't threaten us. Actually, we've given Iran a little present, since we know they've been trying to knock of Iraq for ages. I want us out of there right now, as in, yes, President Bush, initiate the recall code, and bring them home.

I did. I actually favored black ops, but...liberals frown upon that sort of thing nowadays.

Why? We still have plenty of troops in reserve (unlike Vietnam, which, as you said, was a way to get out of going to 'Nam).

I'm sure President Bush believes in this war - why isn't he donning the war bonnet and flying a plane as he has been trained to do?

As someone who despises much of the liberalism that came out of the 1960's, I can say that it I have complete apathy towards antiwar protestors who spat on our troops, passed the hash pipe, and praised those like Jane Fonda, receiving a most required a smack on the head. Unfortunately, it did not knock any sense into them.

Well, I guess if you say so. Who am I to doubt your word?

You don't have to humor me, Plaw. However, I, personally, think that the spitting, and Kerry throwing away his medals, and Fonda telling us to "get down on our knees and beg for Communism" embodies the generation and its message, and unfortunately, it has been passed on.

Now, Plaw, is that sticking to the topic(s) at hand? It seems more like something that "do(es) not addrsss [sic] the issue being discussed, but merely enrage those those [sic] being referred to and turn the discussion into a name-calling pissing contest."

Back to Afsanah:

Haha. That's laughable.

Mind telling me how you can delineate between a regular murder and a "far greater" one? How to we gauge which is which?

I mean, after all, wouldn't the Mullah's list of assassinations and executions against oppositions be considered a "far greater" murder(s)?

Back to Plaw:

It's actually about the sanctity of life, thanks.

Who says my country couldn't re-instate the draft tomorrow? Charlie Rangel has been pushing for mandatory/compulsory military service. In all honesty, it may not be such a bad idea.

On the same train of thought - when there was a draft, for example, in Vietnam, and other foreign wars, were there not those who supported the war even though they could be sent off to fight?

Because, after all, we know that men NEVER take responsibility when they Father children, right? [/sarcasm]

Pro-choice abortionists would be a spectacular example.

Don't we have a significant number of pro-choice men in America, too?


Kudos,
Double-J