I think this has gotten out of hand. Stupid things are being said on both sides. DC, if you have the power to, close this thread. It's not worth keeping this open. This is just my opinion, but with you and Pat sticking to your stories like this (which is fine), nothing will be accomplished. This thread is only cauising problems as you two dig deeper and deeper into this hole of Stupid. Somebody, please close this thread. These two are clearly not going to say anything else productive tonight. Just my opinion though.

The Doc

And you liar, teller of tall tales: you trample all the Lord's commandments underfoot, you murder, steal, commit adultery, and afterward break into tears, beat your breast, take down your guitar and turn sin into a song. Shrewd devil, you know very well that God pardons singers no matter what they do, because he can simply die for a song.