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Re: Hillary 2008 #145728
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Because, unlike calling Bush a Nazi, the image above speaks the truth.

Also, because, quite frankly, communism isn't necessarily a bad thing, right Pat? After all, you're beloved Fidel is communist, right? What is so bad about Hillary coming out of the commie closet?



Re: Hillary 2008 #145729
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How does the image speak the truth? BTW, Fidel isn't a communist. He is a socialist.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145730
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Quote:
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How does the image speak the truth? BTW, Fidel isn't a communist. He is a socialist.
How? Because many of Hillary's social programs could be compared to those of communism.

Secondly, no, Fidel is quite communist - when you sleep with the Soviets, you're kind of a commie.

But, so you don't have to do the "work," I've taken the liberty of Fidel himself saying that his movement isn't communist!

Quote:
"I am not a communist and neither is the revolutionary movement."
Straight from the horse's ass, I'd say!



Re: Hillary 2008 #145731
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Ummm no... Fidel is a Communist. Why? When was the last time he was elected as President of Cuba?

Socialism is the ultimate form of Democracy and Fidel doesn't buy into Democracy at all. In Socialism there are elections and people don't starve.

Fidel does have a decent Communist government, as far as Communist governments go...

I think somebody has been reading too much Short Course or way too much of The Great Offensive. Face it, those sources are way out dated...


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145732
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad Johnny:

I think somebody has been reading too much Short Course or way too much of The Great Offensive. Face it, those sources are way out dated...
I don't think there was much reading involved when it came to the formulation of the aforementioned *brilliant* statement regarding Señor Castro, MJ. :p



Re: Hillary 2008 #145733
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I don't think Hillary or Castro are Communists. Clinton seems to favor a lot of socialist ideas (I would have to disagree about socialism being "the ultimate form of democracy"), but I honestly don't think she's a communist.

Castro, while he was/is allied with communists, doesn't seem to me to be too concerned with any political-economic movements. He's a dictator and he's in charge. He doesn't seem to follow any school of though, at least not strictly. And I know he strongly distrusted the Soviets after the Cuban Missle Crisis in which his Khruschev used Castro and his country in a game of chicken against the U.S.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145734
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Socialism is, in its purest form, the ultimate form of Democracy.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145735
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad Johnny:
Socialism is, in its purest form, the ultimate form of Democracy.
Okay, explain this to me.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145736
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The economy would theoretically not be in the hands of the few and powerful, but of the masses, who would therefore vote and control the government.



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Quote:
Originally posted by Double-J:
The economy would theoretically not be in the hands of the few and powerful, but of the masses, who would therefore vote and control the government.
But I thought under socialism only certain industries would be in government control, so wouldn't there still be room for people to become rich and powerful?


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145738
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In a pure Socialist society, the people collectively own everything.

For further reading: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dmcm/Articles/FAQ.htm


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145739
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Quote:
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[quote]Originally posted by Double-J:
[b] The economy would theoretically not be in the hands of the few and powerful, but of the masses, who would therefore vote and control the government.
But I thought under socialism only certain industries would be in government control, so wouldn't there still be room for people to become rich and powerful? [/b][/quote]Not if those industries were still governed in a democratic fashion. Whether this could actually happen in the presence of human nature is highly questionable, but if all industries were ruled by individuals in a communal, "what-is-best-for-everyone" society, it would be possible.



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Okay, so the people collectively own everything, but how does that make it the ultimate form of democracy? Democracy is a form of government, where socialism is an economic system. Wouldn't the ultimate form of democrazy be a state in which people had the opportunity to vote on every single decision made? I just don't see the correlation here.

Thanks for the link explaining socialism, but I have to say, it's pretty one-sided; it borders on propaganda.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145741
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Quote:
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How does the image speak the truth? BTW, Fidel isn't a communist. He is a socialist.
No, no, no... Pat is right. He isn't a communist.

Of course, the many parralels that he has to Marx's views and that of the Communist revolution are just mere coincidence! No, he's not a communist. He just strategiclly allied himself with the evil empire during the 1960's.

Being a communist is the least of the alligations that he needs to fess up to.

He's a testament to everything that is wrong and evil in the world, the figure head of a corrupted and broken system who's politics have enslaved and tortured individuals for almost fifty years now.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145742
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IMO, there has never been a true communist state. I believe that the only country that ever even came close to being pure communist was China, which started becoming more lenient on their economic restrictions after Chairman Mao died.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145743
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Yea that cultural revolution really brought them close to utopia didn't it?

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Quote:
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IMO, there has never been a true communist state. I believe that the only country that ever even came close to being pure communist was China, which started becoming more lenient on their economic restrictions after Chairman Mao died.
Nor will there ever be, I don't think its a part of human nature to relinquish so much control after it's been siezed like it was in the USSR and China.


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145745
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Its the ultimate form of democracy because all the people have a voice in how they are governed. Democracy is a system where people rule themselves. Socialism is a way of life, not just economics.

And Fidel is a commie. Stop making him sound nicer than he is. Again, he does't hold elections and he's a freakin' dictator! How much more do you need to prove he's a commie?


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145746
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Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая русь
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
пуст от победы к победе ведет!

Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил:
Нас вырастил Сталин - на верность народу,
на труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
пуст от победы к победе ведет!

Мы армию нашу растили в сраженьях.
Захватчиков подлых с дороги сметем!
Мы в битвах решаем судьбу поколений,
Мы к славе отчизну свое поведем!

В победе бессмертных идеи коммунизма
Мы видим грядущее нашей страны,
И красному знамени славной Отчизны
Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
пуст от победы к победе ведет!


ARGH SOVIET UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145748
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В победе бессмертных идеи коммунизма
Мы видим грядущее нашей страны,
И красному знамени славной Отчизны
Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!
The line about the immortal ideal of communism always brings a tear to my eye and a fart from my arse.



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Quote:
Originally posted by Mad Johnny:
Союз нерушимый республик свободны&#
...
Translation maybe?


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See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: Hillary 2008 #145751
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Oh yes, please, please, PLEASE run, Hillary! Assure the Republicans another victory in '08!!


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Re: Hillary 2008 #145752
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Quote:
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what would be the difference if hilary was elected she already ran the country for 8 years
Excellent point, pblake! Power-hunger's about all I can figure for her reason. Either that or the Chinese have promised her a bigger kick-back for another folder of our weapon secrets.


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