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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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A lotta work here, but good exercise, I guess. Obviously, there are many more directors that I've seen two films by than those I've listed here. I've limited the list to those directors who I can honestly say have done at least four films which I've really enjoyed, and limited the list to those films only, even though I may have seen others (like Hitchcock, for example). Listed in order of the number of films by the director, and in order of my preference (* indicates an all-time favorite): Woody Allen (12) Broadway Danny Rose * Annie Hall * Crimes & Misdemeanors * Radio Days * Hannah & Her Sisters Anything Else Hollywood Ending Bananas Sleeper Manhattan Stardust Memories Take The Money And Run Alfred Hitchcock (9) Dial M For Murder * Strangers On A Train * Suspicion * Sabateur North By Northwest Spellbound The Paradine Case I Confess The Lady Vanishes Martin Scorsese (8) Raging Bull * Casino * Goodfellas * Mean Streets * King Of Comedy After Hours Cape Fear Taxi Driver Coen Brothers (7) Fargo * Miller's Crossing * The Man Who Wasn't There * Intolerable Cruelty Blood Simple The Ladykillers The Big Lebowski Stanley Kubrick (7) Paths Of Glory * Dr. Strangelove * The Killing Lolita Full Metal Jacket The Shining Spartacus Sidney Lumet (6) Dog Day Afternoon * Prince Of The City * Fail Safe * Twelve Angry Men * Serpico Night Falls On Manhattan Billy Wilder (5) Witness For The Prosecution * Double Indemnity * Sunset Boulevard * The Apartment The Lost Weekend Barry Levinson (5) Tin Men * Diner Rain Man Sleepers Liberty Heights Francis Ford Coppola (4) The Godfather * The Godfather: Part II * The Godfather: Part III * The Conversation George Cukor (4) The Women * Philadelphia Story * Gaslight Born Yesterday Otto Preminger (4) Anatomy Of A Murder * Laura Advise and Consent The Moon Is Blue David Mamet (4) House Of Games * The Spanish Prisoner Heist Homicide And thank heavens for IMDb
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Martin Scorsese goodfellas mean streets the aviator raging bull gangs of new york taxi driver
Brian De Palma scarface the untouchables charlito's way
Francis Ford Coppola the godfather 1 the godfather 2 Apocalyse now the godfather 3 the outsiders dracula rumble fish
Kevin Smith clerks chasing amy dogma mallrats jay and silent bob strike back
Quintin Tarantino pulp fiction reservoir dogs kill bill vol. 1 & 2 jackie brown
Camron Crowe vanilla sky almost famous jerry maguire elizabethtown
Clint Eastwood unforgiven mystic river different worlds million dollar baby
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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01/19/06 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by DonVitoCorleone: [b]Scorsese Mean Streets Raging Bull Taxi Driver The King of Comedy Casino Goodfellas The Color of Money
[/b] Don Vito, Ive heard you voice this opinion many times, it always baffles me. Could you explain why you like Mean Streets so much and Goodfellas so little?
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: Don Vito, Ive heard you voice this opinion many times, it always baffles me.
Could you explain why you like Mean Streets so much and Goodfellas so little? Mean Streets is neo-realistic, which I love, and it has better acting. Plus it's a more personal film for Scorsese, and less polished than Goodfellas, which I also love. Don't get me wrong, Goodfellas is a great film, which I rate 4 stars, but Mean Streets just does it for me. I cannot explain in words the affect that film has had on me.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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01/19/06 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: [quote]Originally posted by DonVitoCorleone: [b] [b]Scorsese Mean Streets Raging Bull Taxi Driver The King of Comedy Casino Goodfellas The Color of Money
[/b] Don Vito, Ive heard you voice this opinion many times, it always baffles me. Could you explain why you like Mean Streets so much and Goodfellas so little? [/b][/quote]Same reason why people like films and don't like films and like other films better than others.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: [b]Joel Coen Fargo (1996) Miller's Crossing (1990) Barton Fink (1991)
Woody Allen Manhattan (1979) Annie Hall (1977) Crimes and Misdemeanors (1989)[/b] Still haven't seen Broadway Danny Rose or The Man Who Wasn't There, Capo? Or have you? I've forgotten. And to you Kubrick fans (or any movie fans, for that matter) that still haven't seen Paths of Glory..... What are you waiting for?
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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As far as "Danny Rose" goes, it depends on whether or not we're talking "best" or "personal favorites."
It don't rate it as one of Woody's best; it just happens to be the one I enjoy the most.
The Coens "The Man", though, I think is a better film than Barton Fink.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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I am ranking by favorites, like a few others have seemed to do.
PT Anderson 1.) Magnolia 2.) Boogie Nights 3.) Punch Drunk Love 4.) Hard Eight/Sydney
Martin Scorsese 1.) Taxi Driver 2.) Raging Bull 3.) Mean Streets 4.) Casino 5.) Goodfellas 6.) Gangs of New York 7.) The King of Comedy 8.) Cape Fear 9.) The Aviator 10.) New York, New York 11.) The Color of Money
Stanely Kubrick 1.) 2001: A Space Odyssey 2.) A Clockwork Orange 3.) Dr. Strangelove 4.) The Shining
David Fincher 1.) Fight Club 2.) Seven 3.) The Game 4.) Panic Room
Terry Gilliam 1.) Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 2.) Brazil 3.) Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Michael Mann 1.) The Insider 2.) Collateral 3.) Heat 4.) Ali
Quentin Tarantino 1.) Pulp Fiction 2.) Reservoir Dogs 3.) Jackie Brown 4.) Kill Bill Vol. 2 5.) Kill Bill Vol. 1
Coen Brothers 1.) Fargo 2.) Miller's Crossing 3.) The Big Lebowski 4.) Raising Arizona 5.) O Brother, Where Art Thou?
Gus Van Sant 1.) Elephant 2.) Last Days 3.) Good Will Hunting
Brian De Palma 1.) Carlito's Way 2.) Scarface 3.) The Untouchables
Tim Burton 1.) Ed Wood 2.) Edward Scissorhands 3.) Big Fish 4.) Batman Returns 5.) Mars Attacks! 6.) Batman 7.) Sleepy Holly 8.) Beetle Juice 9.) Pee-Wee's Big Adventure 10.) Charlie and the Chocolate Factory 11.) Planet of the Apes
I'll do more later, when I can think.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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01/20/06 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by long_lost_corleone: I am ranking by favorites. As opposed to what? Not to beat a dead horse, but since both you and Plaw have implied a difference between favourites and best, a brief post: There is no universal truth to be found in the criticism and discussion of art. The only valid truth is self-truth; to place your favourites on a separate scale to best indicates two things: you do not value your own opinion as much as an external system, and, in ordering things by "best" when also having a "favourites" list, you're having to compare every film to every other film, which is silly, because each film's intentions are different from every other film's, and therefore comparisons are unfair. Also, needless to say, I don't think anybody on Earth has seen enough films to say whichever one's best. The best I've seen are my favourite films. Plaw, you connect (and art is all about connecting, I think, between viewer and author) to Broadway Danny Rose due to your personal, geographical and period upbringing. I'd be interested as to why you consider other films his best -- and, of course, which?
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Martin Scorsese Raging Bull Taxi Driver Goodfellas Mean Streets Casino The King Of Comedy Cape Fear Gangs Of New York
F.F. Coppola The Godfather Part II The Godfather Part I Apocalypse Now Redux The Godfather Part III
Akira Kurosawa The Seven Samurai Rashomon
Sergio Leone Once Upon A Time In The West Once Upon A Time In America The Good, the Bad And The Ugly For A Few Dollars For A Few Dollars More
Michael Mann Heat The Insider
Sidney Lumet Dog Day Afternoon Serpico 12 Angry Men
Brian DePalma Carlito's Way Scarface The Untouchables
Steven Spielberg Schindler's List Saving Private Ryan Catch Me If You Can
Oliver Stone JFK Any Given Sunday
Quentin Tarantino Pulp Fiction Reservoir Dogs Kill Bill Vol.1
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Actually, Capo, I connect the most personally with with Alen's Radio Days.
I think it's possible to make a distinction between "best" and "favorite" without getting too deeply into a whole analysis.
I am knowledgable enough film-watcher to appreciate great acting, directing, writing, cinematography, etc. when I see it (more or less).
Very often the qualities which make a film great are apparent in a film like The Godfather, and it is those qualities which contribute to my enjoyment of the film and make it one of my favorites.
But there are cases in which I simply enjoy onefilm made by a director over another simply because I find it more entertaining because of my personal taste.
Hitchcock's Dial M For Murder and Allen's Broadway Danny Rose are two such examples.
And there are any number of films which I derive a great deal of pleasure from watching which I do not regard as great.
It has nothing to do with valuing the judgement of an expert critic over my own.
I recognize the greatness in a film such has Schindler's List, but I derive very little pleasure from watching it because I find it overly long abd rather depressing.
And a stupid, light comedy like Mafia, which has virtually np cinematic value other than several good jokes, is one of my favorites.
And I'm fairly certain as well that the professional film critics would agree with me on all of this.
I can go to a restaurant and recognize a great and magnificently prepared dish, but if it's fish, I ain't gonna like it.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: [quote]Originally posted by long_lost_corleone: [b] I am ranking by favorites. As opposed to what? Not to beat a dead horse, but since both you and Plaw have implied a difference between favourites and best, a brief post: There is no universal truth to be found in the criticism and discussion of art. The only valid truth is self-truth; to place your favourites on a separate scale to best indicates two things: you do not value your own opinion as much as an external system, and, in ordering things by "best" when also having a "favourites" list, you're having to compare every film to every other film, which is silly, because each film's intentions are different from every other film's, and therefore comparisons are unfair. Also, needless to say, I don't think anybody on Earth has seen enough films to say whichever one's best. The best I've seen are my favourite films. Plaw, you connect (and art is all about connecting, I think, between viewer and author) to Broadway Danny Rose due to your personal, geographical and period upbringing. I'd be interested as to why you consider other films his best -- and, of course, which? [/b][/quote]Well, here is an example. I loved the film Anchorman. I thought it was very entertaining and funny. But was it necessarily GOOD? I didn't think so. I don't even think it's one of the 100,000 best movies ever. Quite far from that. It's the fine line between art and entertainment. I agree you must like a film to consider it good. But you also need to take into consideration art, and message, and purpose... But this is just my personal opinion. I respect yours, as I am sure (Or, at least think/hope) that you respect mine as well.
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Re: Rank the Work of Your Favorite Directors
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01/21/06 02:29 PM
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Oh yes, definitely. If I didn't respect your values, I wouldn't have started a discussion.
LLC, your appreciation of Anchorman on even a surface level means it connected with you as it intended, which means it is a good film, on your terms (and those are the terms I value the most). To say you enjoyed it and didn't think it was good insults your own sense of humour, I think. I wouldn't know whether to watch it or not if you reviewed it by saying "Oh yeah, I laughed my arse off at it, but it's a shit film."
Plawrence, a professional critic holds little more "expertise" than me or you; the only difference, I think, is that they've probably seen more films.
I've not seen Mafia!. But, for the sake of debating by using it as an example, let us suppose that I have seen it. From what I've read, it seems a small-intentioned piece of entertainment. And when I say entertainment, I do not mean so in a degrading way. Cinematically (whatever that means is for another discussion altogether), it may (not be) up to scratch, but then, its intentions were never to win Oscars or to be regarded as the best film in the world. I think you'd agree on that.
Should we, then, hold a prejudice against it just because its intentions do not conform to universal terms of "greatness"? It fulfills its own intrinsic value very well, probably, as long as it connects with you and makes you laugh; for that's all it aspires to do.
Consider the following conversation as an example:
Film fan 1: "I saw Mafia! the other day. What a great film."
Film fan 2: "No way, Vertigo is a way better film. Check that out instead of that Mafia rubbish."
I feel far more comfortable viewing and rating films by their own intrinsic values. While I would agree that Vertigo holds more cinematic value than Mafia! (in the sense that it makes more use of the medium in terms of visuals, sound, and mise-en-scene), I am not shallow enough to only regard films that connect with me on a profound intellectual level only as the best, and that all others are simply called "guilty pleasures". That latter term, to me, also does not exist, for it is also self-patronising.
My brain's thirst for many different needs form a very open, omnivorous appreciation of art, which is why I consider Duck Soup as much a masterpiece as Gone with the Wind, or Team America World Police as much a masterpiece as Raging Bull.
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