http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

Wow. :rolleyes:

That's all we need, children bred to be racist at such a young age. What sickens me the most is the love and support that these folks have for the Nazis.

:rolleyes:

>>April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."<<

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Let's scream and yell to remove religious symbols from public places, let's go to courts to take the words Under God out of the pledge, let's protest for the removal of all and any references to God from society. But it's ok to allow these girls to promote racisim and hate by singing these kinds of songs and sporting swastikas in public.

Then everyone wonders why this country is becoming a crazy place with no morals in it.

Don Cardi

I wonder what would happen if someone from a religious background were to use a religious symbol such as a cross or a star of david to brand their cattle, and registered it with the Bureau Of Livestock?


DS

But if we take away the freedom to "allow these girls to promote racisim and hate by singing these kinds of songs and sporting swastikas in public" we've begun our descent down the slippery slope.

Who decides what written words, songs, sayings, etc. do or don't promote racism?

And don't people have the right to be racist if they choose to, and to promote racism if they wish to?

And isn't the Nazi Party a political party? Surely you're not suggesting that we start selectively banning certain political parties with whom we don't agree, are you?

(You knew I was gonna say this, didn't you? :p )

Nazi's represent a group who murdered and tortured millions of people. They breed hate. They should never be recognize as a political party. They should be recognized as murderers and hate mongers. Nazism should be outlawed period.


DS

The same way we began our descent down that same slippery slope when the freedom of allowing one to promote their religious beliefs by displaying religious symbols such as Nativities or Stars of David in public places?


Don Cardi

That depends......

Do you want to look at it as one big slope, with many slippery sides to slide down, or several different slopes, equally slippery?

And here's one for you, Don Smitty....

You want to outlaw the Nazi party? OK, I'll give you that one.

How about the Communist Party? They were a bunch of murderers under Stalin, etc., and still are today in the Asian countries rukes by Communism.

And if we ban the Communists, we might as well outlaw the Socialist Party, too. After all, they're awfully close to being Communists.

Then we could do the Liberal party next. Aren't they almost like Socialists?

And after we take care of the Liberals, let's outlaw the Democrats.

I'd much rather live in a country where any party is allowed to exist, rather than having a decision made for me about which parties are legal and which aren't, and, more importantly, wondering about who is going to make that decision.

Well it all depends on which slope YOU were refering to. :p


Don Cardi

Mine is the big one with many slippery sides.

And sometimes common decency, morals and respect for others needs to be considered when dealing with hateful people like this. Sometimes common sense needs to take over. People like this can only cause hate and division in the world.

Basically these girls and their parents are saying that there was nothing wrong with what the Nazi's stood for and did to millions of people. That what they did was ok!


Don Cardi

You and I are perfectly entitled to disagree with their opinion, which they are perfectly entitled to have.

Allowing them their opinion is one of the prices we must pay to live in a free society. Once you start to outlaw unpopular opinions - and again, who is to make that decision? - our society is no longer free.

Brace yourself, I happen to agree with plawrence.

This family has the right to express their feelings, however hateful. They also have as much right to disrespect the feelings and views of others as we have to disrespect and disagree with theirs.

Now, if any harm were to come to this girl and/or her family due to their beliefs, then THAT would be a crime and any attempt to ban them or their song would probably be brought to court.

The best way to deal with stuff like this is give it as little attention as possible...however, as we've learned, human nature dictates otherwise .

Apple

In the free marketplace of ideas just about anything goes.
If you do not like what you are hearing, don't listen.

If they express their feelings through song and with symbols of how it is ok to kill millions of people, and how it is ok to torture millions of people, then that tells me that they wouldn't think twice themselves of killing someone because of their religious or ethnic background.

I guess that burning a cross is also ok then because a person who deos that has the right to express their feelings. :rolleyes:

I have to laugh at this. Because over in one thread, an implication was made that because a dress code was put into place by an organization that has an 85% African American membership, it is a racially motivated rule, and that it shouldn't be implemented because of it's possible motives.

But here, a family is singing Nazi songs, dispaying Nazi symbols, preaching hate, but that is not racially motivated or wrong. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Dangerous, very dangerous. Talk about entering the slippery slope.


Don Cardi

Why does that only apply to something that you choose stand up for?
If that is the case than if you don't like it when I say UNDER GOD in the pledge then don't listen.


These kinds of people with this kind of attitude and hate are destroying the moral fabric of our country. DC is right, if they believe in Nazism and what it stands for, then they agree that its ok to murder and torture people who are from a different background. They will do it too.


DS

And I agree with Apple... again. Big sister?

Wasn't it you who agreed that it was okay to torture suspected terrorists? Does this mean that you're a Nazi and that you're demoralizing the country? Puhleeze. What are your opinions on the Communist, Socialist, and Black Power parties in the US? Should they be banned also?

And check out a pic of these chicks. Wow, so hot.

You know DT, they tried not to listen until Munich, and then WWII begun...

Well OF COURESE it's racially motivated, and OF COURSE it's wrong in the moral sense, but that doesn't deny them the right to preach, wear their symbols and sing their songs...as long as they do not physically harm anyone or anyone's property while doing it.

As for the 'destruction of the moral fabric of our country', Nazi-ism has been alive and well for many years, so has the Klu-Klux-Klan, so has the Nation of Islam - all are racist, all preach hate and that hasn't done it yet.

Apple

How can one best combat such verbal hate?

Ignore them.

Pat, you are so off base with that comparison. We are talking about a race of people, Nazi's, who tortured and maimed people for research purposes. They broke babys arms over and over again to see how many times it could be broken before that baby would die. They brought innocent familes to gas chambers and gassed them to death for no reason except that they were of a differnt religion. Nazi's tortured and killed millions of people for the sheer hecll of it. To rid the world of a race and religion of people that they did not want around anymore. Maybe you need to pay more attention in school so you could learn about these things then instead of sitting on your computer throughout the day.


If communists, black power, and any other party in this country breed hate preech hate and carry out hate crimes against innocent people then they should all be banned.


DS

Pat, you are so off base with that comparison. We are talking about a race of people, Nazi's, who tortured and maimed people for research purposes. They broke babys arms over and over again to see how many times it could be broken before that baby would die. They brought innocent familes to gas chambers and gassed them to death for no reason except that they were of a differnt religion. Nazi's tortured and killed millions of people for the sheer hecll of it. To rid the world of a race and religion of people that they did not want around anymore. Maybe you need to pay more attention in school so you could learn about these things then instead of sitting on your computer throughout the day.


If communists, black power, and any other party in this country breed hate preech hate and carry out hate crimes against innocent people then they should all be banned.


DS [/b][/quote]What do you mean I should be in school? Where do you think I am right now? And you didn't answer my question. Did you agree that it was okay to torture suspected terrorists? If you agreed that it was okay to torture suspected terrorists, then doesn't that make you no better than a Nazi who wants to murder someone because of religion or race?

well I think they need to go back to school and fine out who
won the war or go to Germany with that bull

There is a HUGE difference between reciting "under God" in the pledge and the rights of these girls to sing their horrible songs. One is a government-sponsored pledge which should not be espousing God. The other is a private record label whouch should be allowed to sell what they want to. You also have the right to not buy it. If enough people don't buy it, the company will go out of business. It's that simple.

I agree that the Nazi's were horrible beyond all measure. How anyone in their right mind could want to support the Nazis, knowing what we do today about what they accomplished in their time, I don't know. But why is that so difficult to believe? They managed to sway an entire nation.

And is it so difficult to imagine that these girls have been raised in hatred? They've been surrounded by propaganda and they were isolated (I notice that they are home-schooled) from other ideas and from society in genereal. It's the same as those little children we saw celebrating on September 11th. A theme of hatred has been drilled into them since they were born.

That said, I have to agree with Patrick and Plaw and Apple, these kids have every right to sing what they want. Allowing the Nazi's to march and sing also gave Martin Luther King the right to do so.

Pat, sometimes you need to think with the big head, and not the little head.

And not for nothing Pat, as far as the Nazi party goes, we're talking about a movement that tried to exterminate a whole race of people. In the early years, people said " Oh just ignore them, they'll go way." But they grew stronger and stronger because no one would pay attention to what they were doing. Before the world knew it, they grew into this powerful race of people who were now causing havoc on a huge population of innocent people, murdering them and torturing them by the millions. Caused a world war that gave way to the sacrifice of many lives.


Anyone that believes, preaches, advocates, and symbolizes the murder and torture of millions of innocent people is capable of doing the same things themselves. These two girls have this Nazism of hate imbreaded in their minds, they were raised with it as being a normal way of life.
How many times in the last few years have we picked up a news paper or turned on the news only to find out that the 5 students who opened fire on their schoolmates were believers in Nazism, etc.?


Don Cardi

Don Cardi, you really think Americans are Germans?

Really, the President would be really displeased at you for making such a suggestion.

Ok, then tell me something SB, if you want to seperate Governement sponsered stuff with private industry, then why whould her father be allowed to file and brand his cattle with a swastika if that organization that he has filed his sawstika logo with is a goverment agency?


Don Cardi

Ronnie, where did I say that?


Don Cardi