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Thai hostage recovered from southern Gaza in military operation
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By Oren Liebermann, CNN
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Updated 10:09 AM EDT, Sat June 7, 2025

The body of a Thai hostage, Nattapong Pinta, who was abducted alive during the October 7 attacks was recovered from southern Gaza in a military operation on Friday, according to a statement from the Israeli military and the Shin Bet security service.

The announcement comes just days after Israel recovered the bodies of two Israeli-American hostages from Gaza.

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Interesting NOBODY stood by the Israelites during WWII.
Sad, Shameful History Repeats Itself


Don't worry in WWII they didn't have a country, since 1948 they have. Many rhetoric from both Left and Right. But Israel's survival is Guaranteed !


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Holland and Israel (Jewish people) have a special bond haha.


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From: Haaretz June 7, 2025
Gaza aid fund: Distribution sites did not open Saturday due to direct threats by Hamas

The US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation GHF issued a statement Saturday saying that Hamas has issued direct threats against its operation, which is the reason its distribution sites were not opened throughout the day.

"These threats made it impossible to proceed today without putting innocent lives at risk," the statement said.
According to the foundation, its employees, except for American security staff, are all local Gazans.

A controversial humanitarian organization backed by the United States and Israel did not distribute any food aid on Saturday, accusing Hamas of making threats that "made it impossible" to operate in the enclave, which the Palestinian militants denied.

The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which uses private US security and logistics firms to operate, said it was adapting operations to overcome the unspecified threats. It later said in a Facebook post that two sites would reopen on Sunday.

A Hamas official later denied the claims, saying he has no knowledge of any alleged threats.

The IDF announced that arrival at aid distribution sites in the Gaza Strip is only allowed between 6AM and 6PM, adding that arriving outside of these hours is "extremely dangerous."

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US Vice President JD Vance: 'War is hell'

US Vice President JD Vance, during an interview on the Theo Von podcast, recognized the situation of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip throughout the war.
"I'm a human being, so I look at this stuff and see the videos, and it's very heartbreaking," he said.

"I've seen people on my side of the political aisle see these videos of innocent Palestinians and say, 'Well, they had it coming.'
No, no, no. If you have a soul, your heart should break when you see a kid suffering," Vance said.

He also said that he does not think that Israel is carrying out a genocide, because he doesn't think that "Israelis are trying to go in and murder every Palestinian.
They got hit hard and they're trying to destroy this terror organization. War is hell," he added.

Vance also said that US President Donald Trump is pro-Israel, but "recognizes that to bring any conflict to a close, you have to talk to everybody."
Talk is cheap! ACTION Israel Day 611 Ukraine Day 1,200

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Trump: Putin offered to join Iran nuclear talks; accuses Iran of 'slow walking' its decision
1. "We also discussed Iran — not Ukraine? —
2. Iran has been slow walking —not Russia? —

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The gap between Netanyahu's opulence and the troops' suffering might finally do him in.
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Israel seeks 10,000 more troops amid conscription row;

Conversations with combat troops in Gaza in recent weeks provide a different picture than the one the government and army are selling.

Day 611 Some soldiers feel a great weariness, along with uncertainty about their mission. This is also partly due to the static operations; their main task is demolishing buildings. After such a long stretch doing combat, soldiers who are not ideologically aligned with Israel's right, ask themselves questions.

Mossad’s Former Chief Tamir Pardo calls the War in Gaza:
1. ‘Useless’ it is not leading to anything. "it's accomplishing nothing,"
2. "from Israel's point of view, it's a waste of time.
3. Israel’s military campaign has been flawed from the start, critiquing current conflict strategies and calling for a reassessment of efforts.
4. it’s a sober acknowledgment of a reality Netanyahu's supporters refused to face.
5. Israel on losing end in Gaza war

Former Mossad deputy chief Ram Ben-Barak "This war lacks clear objective, and it's evident that we're unequivocally losing it," panic

In non-reservist companies, the commanders often reach tacit agreements with troops who don't want to return to the war.
In a few cases, the sentence is imprisonment. (Two Nahal Brigade soldiers who were about to go to prison got psychotherapy instead.)

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From: SBS News June 7, 2025
Ultra-Orthodox conscription threatens Netanyahu's coalition

Israel recently stepped up its Gaza campaign in what it says is a renewed push to defeat Hamas — the Palestinian military and political group that rules Gaza — whose 7 October 2023 attack sparked the war, a significant escalation in the long-standing conflict.

But the ramping up of its offensive comes amid a row over the conscription of ultra-Orthodox Jews — an issue that's threatened to sink Netanyahu's government.

Ultra-Orthodox religious parties have warned they will pull out of Netanyahu's coalition if the prime minister fails to make good on a promise to codify in law the military exemption for their community.

At the same time, much of the public has turned against the exemption amid the increasing strain put on reservists' families by repeated call-up orders during the war.

Asked by a reporter about the issue of ultra-Orthodox conscription, military spokesman Effie Defrin said:
"This is the need of the moment, an operational necessity".

The army was short around 10,000 soldiers, including about 6,000 in combat roles, adding that
"tens of thousands more notices will be issued in the upcoming draft cycle".

Yet... Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's sons Yair 33 and Avner 30 MIA

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In April, a military representative told a parliamentary committee that of 18,000 draft notices sent to ultra-Orthodox individuals, only 232 received a positive response.

Netanyahu's office announced shortly after 1am on Friday that he had met with a lawmaker from his Likud party who has recently pushed for a bill aimed at increasing the ultra-Orthodox enlistment and toughening sanctions on those who refuse.

The premier's office said "significant progress was made", with "unresolved issues" to be ironed out later.
Netanyahu also faced scrutiny after he admitted to supporting an armed group in Gaza that opposes Hamas.

Knesset member and ex-defence minister Avigdor Liberman had told the Kan public broadcaster that the government, at Netanyahu's direction:
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The European Council on Foreign Relations think tank describes the group:
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a "criminal gang operating in the Rafah area that is widely accused of looting aid trucks"

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From: The Guardian June 7, 2025
Conference to recognise Palestinian state to weaken scope of its ambition, diplomats say

UK, France and other western states will not recognise Palestine at New York meeting, instead focusing on agreeing steps towards it

A planned conference in New York this month that supporters of Palestine had hoped would push western governments to recognise a Palestinian state has weakened its ambition and will instead hope to agree on steps towards recognition, diplomats have said.

The change to the aims of the conference, due to be held between 17 and 20 June, marks a retreat from an earlier vision that it would mark a joint declaration of recognition of Palestine as a state by a large group of countries, including permanent UN security council members France and the UK.

Emmanuel Macron, the French president and a co-sponsor of the three-day conference with Saudi Arabia, has declared recognition of Palestine as “a moral duty and political requirement”, but French officials briefing their Israeli counterparts this week reassured them the conference will not be the moment for recognition — Exactly rewarding terrorism

France hopes that a group of western states recognising a Palestinian state could be counter-balanced by Muslim states normalising relations with Israel.

However, Saudi recognition of Israel seems impossible. The Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, the other co-host, has asserted repeatedly that Israel is committing a genocide, a view that is shared widely by Saudi public opinion.

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That is now seen as a prize that will emerge from other measures, including a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, the release of Israeli hostages, reform of the Palestinian Authority, economic reconstruction and a definitive end to Hamas’s rule in Gaza. — when Pigs fly!

France and Saudi Arabia have set up eight working parties to prepare the necessary ingredients for a two-state solution, and Macron is hosting a conference of civil society under the banner of the "Paris Peace Forum" immediately before the three-day conference.

The UK is overseeing the humanitarian working party and other working groups cover reconstruction, economic viability of a Palestinian state, promoting respect for international law, narratives for peace and “peace day”, an imagining of the benefits to both sides from a peaceful settlement.

Israel and the US have attended run-up meetings to the conference but have not spoken, prompting speculation they may boycott the event.

Israel has fought hard to prevent stateless Palestinians achieving self-determination. Polls show only a fifth of the Israel electorate favour a two-state solution and 56% of Jewish Israelis supported the “transfer of Arab citizens of Israel to other countries”.

Israel has also approved plans to build a further 22 settlements in the West Bank — the biggest expansion in decades.
Israel’s defence minister, Israel Katz, said it was “a strategic move that prevents the establishment of a Palestinian state”.

Macron’s initiative has been described as “disastrous” by the Israel’s ambassador to France, Joshua Zarka.
Recognition of a Palestinian state was previously seen as an outcome of a failed 1990s-era two-state plan.

However, governments in Europe increasingly doubt Israel has any intention to ease its control over Palestinians and see recognition as a possible lever to force a change of thinking among Israeli officials.

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Ireland, Spain and Norway recognised a Palestinian state last year.
Macron has insisted he would only recognise a Palestinian state without Hamas — the same stance as the UK. How is that going?

In an open letter to Macron The Elders a group of former senior UN diplomats, say:
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recognition is “an essential transformative step towards peace” that should be taken as a matter of principle, divorced from negotiations over the ultimate form of Palestinian statehood and how and when Hamas should be disarmed.
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Anne-Claire Legendre, the president’s adviser on the Middle East, has said the conference “must mark a transformative milestone for the effective implementation of the two-state solution. We must move from words to deeds, and we must move from the end of the war in Gaza to the end of the conflict.”

She met Israeli officials this week to discuss the conference and Israel’s often cloudy long-term vision for the region.
She also met the Palestinian prime minister, Mohammad Mustafa.

Israeli newspapers reported the travelling French officials as saying:
“The recognition of a Palestinian state remains on the table, but not as a product of the conference. This will remain a bilateral subject between states.”

The British foreign secretary, David Lammy, who is expected to attend the conference, is under massive backbench pressure to do more to punish Israel and is, at minimum, being asked flesh out the conditions for the UK recognition of a Palestinian state.

Hamish Falconer, the Middle East minister, told MPs this week the UK thinking was evolving.
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“One reason that the traditional position of the UK government has been that the recognition of a Palestinian state should come at the end, or during, a two-state solution process was the hope that we would move towards a two-state solution,”

“Many minds have been changed because of the rhetoric of the Israeli government — the clear statements by so many that they are no longer committed to a two-state solution.”

But the British are looking for firm undertakings at the conference on the future government of Palestine, including the exclusion of Hamas from any future governance of Gaza, which is something Hamas itself has appeared to accept in the various plans drawn up by Arab states.

A growing number of Conservative Members of Parliament have broken with their frontbench on the issue and now back recognition, including the former attorney general Sir Jeremy Wright.

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Interesting NOBODY stood by the Israelites during WWII.
Sad, Shameful History Repeats Itself

Don't worry in WWII they didn't have a country, since 1948 they have. Many rhetoric from both Left and Right. But Israel's survival is Guaranteed !
I applaud your optimism! Wish and Hope you are right. But... Israel needs:
1. Help — Constructive, Decisive, Effective, Practical ACTION not just to light a little candle.
2. 'allies' not turning their back on a 'friend' in a time of multi-fronted WAR.

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Hamas brought Israel to its knees October 7 Day 610 Israel still on its knees

Israel hasn't had Peace since 1948 Endless conflict. Forever WAR. They are programmed to survive But once...
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Hamas breached Israel's 'impenetrable' Fort Knox 'invulnerable' deterrence, security and terrorists running amok for hours / days.
Shin Bet Fail IDFail Netanyahu Fail They "can check out any time they like, but they can never have peace"

Besides History will never let them forget October 7 and they will be haunted by their Fail Forever.
They keep stabbing with their steely armoury, but they just can't kill the terror beast. More so now. No wine at Hotel California either

Trump and "Israel (Jewish people) have a special bond haha."

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Al Jazeera June 7, 2025
Israel’s strategic failure is now apparent;
Israeli aggression and expansionism are not signs of ascendance; rather they point to inevitable failure.

Since the mid-1960s, Israel has received significant military and diplomatic support from successive administrations in the United States.
But never has it enjoyed such unconditional support as it has in the past eight years — under the first and second administrations of President Donald Trump and the administration of President Joe Biden.

As a result, Israel has started openly pursuing its greatest Zionist dream:
expanding state borders to achieve Greater Israel and accelerating the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people from their homeland.

Although the Israeli state may appear more powerful than ever and overly confident that it will achieve regional dominance, its current position paradoxically reflects a strategic failure.

The reality is that after nearly eight decades of existence, Israel has failed to achieve legitimacy in the eyes of the region’s peoples and lasting security for itself. Its present resurgence will secure neither.

And that is because its foreign, domestic and military policies are based on a settler-colonial logic which makes them untenable in the long run.

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Settler-colonial mentality;
Since its founding in 1948 Israel has sought to convince the world and its Jewish citizens that it was created “on a land without a people”.

While this narrative has successfully caught on — particularly among the younger generations of Israelis — the forefathers of the Israeli state openly spoke about “colonisation” and settling a land with a hostile native population.

Theodor Herzl, considered the father of modern Zionism, planned to reach out to well-known British colonialist Cecil Rhodes, who led the British colonisation of Southern Africa, for advice on and approval of his plan to colonise Palestine.

Vladimir Jabotinsky, a revisionist Zionist who founded the far-right Zionist group Betar in Latvia, strategised in his writings on ways to address native resistance.

In his 1923 essay The Iron Wall, he wrote; “Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing.”

This settler-colonial mentality played a central role in shaping the domestic, foreign and military policies of the newly founded Israel.
Today, almost 80 years after the creation of the Israeli state, expansionism and aggressive military posturing continue to define the Israeli regional strategy.

Despite official rhetoric about seeking peace and normalisation of relations in the region, the Israeli aspiration to achieve a Greater Israel — one that includes not only occupied Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, but also parts of modern-day Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan — persists.

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Al Jazeera June 7, 2025
Government advisers have penned articles about “reconquering Sinai”, “dismembering Egypt” and precipitating the “dissolution of Jordan”.
Prime ministers have stood in front of the United Nations General Assembly, holding maps of Greater Israel.

The idea of Greater Israel has been widely accepted across the Zionist political spectrum, both on the right and on the left. The primary differences have been in how and when to advance this vision, and whether it requires the expulsion of Palestinians or their segregation.

Expansionist policies have been applied under all Israeli governments — from those led by left-wing Mapai Labor to those led by right-wing Likud.

That has been apparent in public discourse and government actions.
Settler activists have openly talked about an Israel stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates river.

Since the 1949 armistice, Israel has occupied the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, Sinai (twice), southern Lebanon (twice) and now most recently, more parts of southern Syria.

Meanwhile, its colonisation of the occupied Palestinian territories has proceeded at an accelerated pace.

The number of Jewish colonial settlers in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, was approximately 250,000 in 1993;
by October 7, 2023, this number had risen to 503,732 in the West Bank and 233,600 in East Jerusalem.

Settlements in Gaza were dismantled in 2005 but plans are being made for recolonisation, as the current Israeli government eyes the full ethnic cleansing of the strip.

Today, there is no major political force in Israel that looks beyond the direct application of naked military power to maintain and protect colonisation activities. This mindset is not limited to politicians but is also a widespread conviction among the Israeli public.

A June 2024 survey found that 70 percent of Jewish Israelis think settlements either help national security or do not interfere with it;
a March 2025 poll showed that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza.

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No genuine peace camp; The settler-colonial mindset at the core of the Israeli state has precluded the emergence of a genuine drive for peace.

As a result, successive Israeli governments have continued to pursue war, colonisation and expansion, even when seemingly embracing peace talks.

In the 1990s Israel had the opportunity to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict by withdrawing from the territories occupied in 1967 and accepting the creation of an independent Palestinian state. Instead, it used the negotiations as a smokescreen to advance settler-colonial policies.

Even leaders like Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was hailed as a peacemaker and assassinated for it, by a Jewish extremist, did not really envision Israelis and Palestinians living side by side. Under his government and during the peace negotiations, the expansion of Jewish settlements continued at a steady pace, while plans for a segregation wall on occupied Palestinian land were pushed forward.

Meanwhile, Rabin and other Israeli leaders involved in the peace negotiations focused primarily on normalising Israel’s existence as it was, without addressing the root causes of the conflict. They sought to pacify Palestinian resistance, rather than establish durable peace.

The absence of a peace camp is not only at the leadership level but also at the societal one.

While the Israeli society has active movements for social causes, settlers’ coalitions, and now a movement pushing for continuing the prisoner exchanges with Hamas, it lacks a genuine grassroots peace movement that recognises Palestinian rights.

This is in sharp contrast to other settler-colonial societies, in which there was a push from within to end colonialism.

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During the French colonisation of Algeria, for example, an anti-colonial movement within France openly supported the Algerian armed resistance.
During the apartheid era in South Africa, white activists joined the anti-apartheid struggle and helped sway domestic attitudes.

In Israel, Jewish supporters of Palestinian rights are so few that they are easily ostracised and marginalised, facing death threats and often feeling compelled to leave the country.

The absence of a genuine peace camp reflects the inherent flaw of settler-colonial Israel.

It has no coherent political strategy to address broader issues, such as coexistence in the region, which requires acknowledging the interests of others, especially the national rights of the Palestinian people. This makes the settler colony incapable of peace.

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Overreliance on Western support;

Historically, settler-colonies have always had to rely on outside support to sustain themselves. Israel is no different.
For decades, it has enjoyed far-reaching support from Western Europe and the United States, which have provided it with a significant strategic edge.

But this Israeli reliance on Western backing also poses a long-term strategic threat.
It makes the country dependent and unable to function like a normal sovereign nation.

Other countries in the region will continue to exist even if they lose support from their Western allies, with only their regimes potentially changing.
But that is not the case for Israel.

This unlimited and extravagant support for Israel, aimed at maintaining its dominance as the primary regional power, is likely to backfire.

The growing imbalance of power is generating pressure not only on antagonist countries like Iran, but on other regional players such as Turkiye, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. They increasingly feel that the Western push to defend Israeli interests is infringing on their own.

This situation is likely to push them to increasingly seek alliances beyond the Western bloc to counterbalance this influence.
China offers a viable alternative, as it is not a strategic ally of Israel.

A gradual opening to China can shift the political dynamics of the region in the coming years, beyond the capacity of Israel and its allies to control them.
That will certainly undermine the Israeli plans to establish regional hegemony.

But Israel faces not only the risk that Western dominance could be challenged from the East, but also that Western societies could pressure their governments to stop backing it.

The Israeli genocidal policies, especially since October 7, 2023, have spurred a profound shift in public opinion across the world, including in Europe and North America.

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Al Jazeera June 7, 2025
As a result, the Israeli state has notably lost support among those on the left and centre of the political spectrum in the West;
1. Israel stands accused of genocide at the International Court of Justice ICJ
2. its prime minister has an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court ICC
3. and Israeli soldiers are facing charges in many countries around the world.

While it still manages to maintain backing in high-level European and American political and military circles, this support is becoming increasingly unreliable in the long term.

This uncertainty is further aggravated by the rise of isolationism on the right in the U.S.
If these trends continue, Israel may eventually run out of dependable supporters in the West and lose its financial and military advantage.

The limits of the Israeli settler-colonial state strategy are increasingly becoming clear. The continued use of settler-colonial policies, characterised by excessive violence, along with the pursuit of regional hegemony, is pushing Israel into an untenable position.

The Israeli leadership may be living in a fantasy world, thinking it can pull off a “New World” model on Palestine and exterminate its population to fully colonise it; or to declare itself officially an apartheid state, seeking to make Palestinian subjugation legal.

But in the historical and geopolitical context of the Middle East, neither of these fantasies is viable.
Global pressure is coming to bear. The expulsion of the people of Gaza has been outright rejected.

The Palestinian people, like any other nation that has survived brutal colonisation, will not leave their country and disappear, nor will they accept life under a colonial apartheid regime.

Israeli leaders may do well to start imagining the very real possibility of sharing land and accepting equal rights, and start preparing the Israeli society for it.

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"This war lacks clear objective, and it's evident that we're unequivocally losing it," panic another day in office.” for Netanyahu frown
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Netanyahu the longest — but not rolleyes serving Israel, own survival — premier
Thinking only of his own survival, Netanyahu bows to the coalition demands and keeps the fires of war burning no matter the human cost.

Day 611 Brutal war raging on. IDF winning battles losing war crazy Hamas Sill standing Still firing Still calling the shots mad
IDFail keep stabbing with their steely armoury, but they just can't kill the terror beast.

In fairness; Progress, however, has been slow and grueling.
The city is laced with terror infrastructure, including a sprawling tunnel network and buildings rigged with — explosives, booby traps, — military officials said. Every step forward requires methodical clearing, turning each advance into a battle not only against Hamas terrorists, but against the terrain itself.
Then Hamas come back to the cleared area sick after IDF leave

Yet... Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's sons Yair 33 and Avner 30 MIA

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Israel is a Rogue nation! Israel is not doing itself any favours All for taking out the terrorists but.... among others;
  • The horrors and immeasurable suffering, death and destruction All sides "endless offensive” Forever war devastating terror trauma
  • It is the innocent civilians indeed -- Gazans in particular between a rock and a hard place -- paying the horrendous price
  • sacrifices, horrifically wounded soldiers and soldiers returning in coffins
  • wholesale carpet-bombing -- Every life is equally precious whether Israeli, Palestinian, Lebanese, Syrian or
  • seeming disdain for non-Israeli lives
  • not to mention the Thousands killed Millions displaced
  • shunted between 'safe' zones multiple times
  • Families torn apart
  • lack of food, medicine and essential services
  • Homes flattened
  • Infrastructure destroyed
  • Vast areas uninhabitable
  • Israeli settler violence

*Israel repeatedly says, it seeks,
1. to minimize civilian fatalities and stresses that the terrorists,
2. use civilians as human shields
3. fighting from civilian areas including homes, hospitals, schools and mosques
4. storing weapons in warehouses under residential buildings
But The horrors and immeasurable suffering, death and destruction of the innocent civilians cannot be discounted....

President Donald Trump, U.S., Canada, U.K., Germany, France and other EU, Australia, New Zealand, NATO "Abraham Accords" and "Israel (Jewish people) — have a special bond haha."

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