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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Hollander] #1124799
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Like I said not a fan of the politician Netanyahu but Wilders has been a long time friend of his. Wilders love for Israel and the Netherlands is sincere. You also dont turn your back on a friend in a time of WAR.

I wish Trump would do more, needs to — Constructive, Decisive, Effective, Practical ACTION not symbolic like ICC sanctions.
former US president Joe Biden visited Israel Trump unnecessary snub

Day 608 No doubt Israel needs supporters like Geert Wilders especially with 'allies' turning their back on a 'friend' in a time of multi-fronted WAR.
Worse and hand-cuffing Israel. However Wilders is not in power...

No denying that the polarizing Netanyahu "has led Israel to the terrible place they are now in” -- Global pariah on the world stage
Israel of the old when Israeli leaders would never have let, October 7 happen

He has brought Israel to this long drawn out war, when the suffering and killing, seem as if they will never end.

1. sacrifices, horrifically wounded soldiers and soldiers returning in coffins
2. The horrors and immeasurable suffering, death and destruction All sides "endless offensive” Forever war devastating terror trauma
3. It is the innocent civilians indeed -- Gazans in particular between a rock and a hard place -- paying the horrendous price

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From: Haaretz June 5, 2025

Germany: foreign minister says:
1. it will continue supplying weapons to Israel,
2. calls to allow more Gaza aid.

Germany's foreign minister, Johann Wadephul, said in a joint press conference on Thursday alongside Israel's foreign minister, Gideon Sa'ar, that he is concerned about the condition of the Gaza Strip.

France: will decide in the following days whether to take harsher measures against Israel, President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Abu Shabab are Bedouins.

Israel arming of Gaza militias is part of broader post-war plan, officials say
Senior Israeli officials confirmed a covert strategy to arm local militias in Gaza to undermine Hamas and explore alternative governance; effort, led by Shin Bet, marks a shift in Israeli policy and has sparked political and security debate.

From: The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
Israel is providing weapons to an ISIS-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, sometimes described as a militia and sometimes as a criminal gang.

Arab envoy: Netanyahu’s arming of Gaza gang shows ‘he’s learned little since October 7’

Ambassador laments Israeli Prime Minister’s unabated effort to weaken the Palestinian Authority PA warning that latest effort to divide Palestinians ‘increases chances of Somalia-like scenario’ in the Strip

An Arab ambassador said Thursday that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to arm one of Gaza’s most notorious criminal gangs as a foil to Hamas demonstrates that “he has learned little since October 7.”

“Netanyahu worked to weaken the PA by bolstering Hamas in Gaza before October 7, and now he is doing it by bolstering this gang of criminals,” the ambassador told The Times of Israel on condition of anonymity, likening:
1. the Gaza financial aid that Netanyahu solicited from Qatar for Hamas
2. to the transfer of weapons that the premier authorized, to the Abu Shabab clan

Abu Shabab is widely known for its looting of humanitarian aid in Gaza.

Netanyahu has denied bolstering Hamas through the Qatari aid, insisting that it was meant to stave off a humanitarian crisis in the blockaded Strip.

However, critics have argued that the hundreds of millions of dollars that came in from Qatar allowed Hamas to focus on expanding its military arsenal in the years leading up to its October 7, 2023, attack when some 1,200 people were killed in southern Israel and another 251 were taken hostage.

“Netanyahu didn’t want to work with the PA then because it would have meant advancing a broader diplomatic resolution to the conflict, and he is taking the same approach now,” the senior Arab diplomat said.

“Arming clans in Gaza only further divides the Palestinians and increases the chances of a Somalia-like scenario in Gaza,” the ambassador said, expressing concern that the Strip will become a failed state characterized by lawlessness and rival militia groups.

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Israel providing guns to Gaza gang to bolster opposition to Hamas:
Security cabinet wasn’t informed of plan to start arming Abu Shabab group, which was created in Rafah last year and has its roots in looting aid trucks.

In confirming his decision to arm the Abu Shabab clan earlier today, Netanyahu made a point of stressing that:
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the initiative was advanced “in consultation with security officials.” “We made use of clans in Gaza that are opposed to Hamas…
What’s wrong with that?” he asked. “It’s only good. It saves the lives of IDF soldiers.”

But an Israeli official told The Times of Israel that such schemes were only proposed by the Shin Bet because Netanyahu has barred the security establishment from advancing Gaza security initiatives that involve the Palestinian Authority PA.

Granting a foothold in Gaza to the Palestinian Authority — which backs a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — would likely have risked collapsing Netanyahu’s government, given Ben Gvir and Smotrich’s strong disregard for the PA.

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Netanyahu the longest — but not rolleyes serving Israel, own survival — premier
Thinking only of his own survival, Netanyahu bows to their demands and keeps the fires of war burning no matter the human cost.

Allowing the PA to play a role in Gaza would unlock the support of roughly half a dozen Arab countries who have expressed willingness to play a role in the
post-war rehabilitation of Gaza if invited by Ramallah.

But that initiative has never gotten off the ground due to opposition from Netanyahu, who has likened the Palestinian Authority to Hamas, while rejecting the notion of entrusting Israel’s security to foreign actors.

The Israeli stance is widely understood to be an extension of Netanyahu’s efforts to thwart a two-state solution, which would be advanced by having a single governing authority in both Gaza and the West Bank, where the PA is currently based.

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I think it is a good strategy by Shin Bet the Bedouin are well respected around the Arab world from Morocco to SA.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
I think it is a good strategy by Shin Bet the Bedouin are well respected around the Arab world from Morocco to SA.
Don't know... Israel funding terrorists: never end well

From: Netanyahu's Time Magazine August 8, 2024 interview:
Netanyahu appeared to dismiss claims that his policy of sending cash to Hamas with the help of Qatar had helped set the stage for October 7, explaining that Israel’s motivation had been humanitarian.

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I had no idea they were funding terrorists Hamas and had the opportunity to totally destroy them during the 2014 war
Now arming one of Gaza’s most notorious criminal gangs

-- if history has taught us anything -- associating with terrorists never end well for Israel
You see -- all these people are terrorists, their loyalty is based on that "Destruction of Israel"

It is naïve to think they won't end up turning against Israel “Netanyahu has learned little since October 7.” indeed.

Originally Posted by Hollander
Yasser Abu Shabab: Gaza's New Strongman Or Israel's Proxy?
Abu Shabab, once known for crime and links to extremist groups,
Another al-Sharaa of Syria

Also Day 608 message is IDF losing the war — can't fight / defeat Hamas on their own that they have to 'recruit' criminal gangs to fight Hamas

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France has one the biggest Jewish communties, Macron has to be careful.


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I trust Shin Bet though they want the best for Israel.to defeat Hamas in Gaza you need local allies in return they must also give the Gazans some kind of peace and aid.


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Haaretz June 5, 2025
Mossad’s Former Chief Calls the War in Gaza ‘Useless’ it is not leading to anything
Tamir Pardo, argues that Israel’s military campaign has been flawed from the start, critiquing current conflict strategies and calling for a reassessment of efforts.

The war in Gaza "is useless" and "it's accomplishing nothing," former Mossad chief Tamir Pardo says, adding that "from Israel's point of view, it's a waste of time.

When a former Mossad chief like Tamir Pardo calls the war in Gaza “useless,” it's not just criticism — it’s a sober acknowledgment of a reality Netanyahu's suppirters refused to face.

The war drags on without a coherent objective.cry
1. Tens of thousands of civilians have been killed,
2. entire neighborhoods reduced to dust,
3. and Gaza’s social fabric torn apart,

Yahya Sinwar is no longer a factor. His brother Mohammed is reportedly dead. Hamas’s leadership in Gaza has been largely eliminated.

What remains is not a functioning organization, but a scattered group of armed men holding hostages underground — less a military force than a bargaining chip for their own survival.

At this point, prolonging the war is neither strategy nor justice.
It is the continuation of a policy that sacrifices lives without delivering security, stability, or any viable vision for what comes next.

What we're doing
1. waste of lives,
2. waste of money,
3. wasting the future"

Israel on losing end in Gaza war:
Former Mossad deputy chief Ram Ben-Barak ‘This war lacks clear objective, and it's evident that we're unequivocally losing it,’ panic

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Originally Posted by Trojan
Israel is providing weapons to an ISIS-affiliated group in the Gaza Strip, sometimes described as a militia and sometimes as a criminal gang.
Israel funding terrorists: never end well

The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
Israel has been arming a criminal gang Abu Shabab, in the Gaza Strip as part of an effort to strengthen opposition to Hamas in the enclave, defense sources confirmed on Thursday following remarks on the matter by former defense minister Avigdor Liberman.

It’s extremely serious,” Netanyahu said of Liberman revealing frown the move and predicting that it won’t be investigated.
“Publicizing it only does good for Hamas.

This is not the first time that Netanyahu has been involved in or accused of propping up burgeoning militias and terror groups to undermine a common enemy.
Various reports over the years have indicated that Israel’s policy under Netanyahu was to treat Hamas as an asset that could be used to weaken the Palestinian Authority.

The premier reportedly told a Likud faction meeting back in 2019 that anyone who opposed the establishment of a Palestinian state should support sending funds to Hamas, the enemy of the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority. Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich made a similar claim in an interview in 2015.

Amid the outrage generated by Liberman’s revelation on Thursday, the left-wing The Democrats leader Yair Golan pointed out the pattern of behavior.
The politician wrote on X.
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“Netanyahu, who transferred billions to Hamas in suitcases full of cash, based on the incorrect belief that Hamas is an ‘asset,’ is now promoting a new dangerous concept: Arming a Gazan militia with ties to ISIS,”

“Netanyahu is dangerous to Israel’s security,” he charged.
“This is not a mistake. This is systematic. Netanyahu is selling Israel’s security for another day in office.”

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According to Arabic media reports, an unnamed Arab country is involved in training the militia. Mahmoud al-Habash, advisor to Mahmoud Abbas, maintains direct contact with Abu Shabab, whose family was reportedly murdered by Hamas in 2006.


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The Saudis probably it fits in Mohammed bin Salman's strategy.


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The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
Full article For now, victory is still within reach:

For now, victory is still within reach: 10 truths about the Gaza war, 20 months in
Israeli troops are again maneuvering inside Gaza, hoping this will be the knockout blow; but Hamas is still fighting and doesn’t seem desperate for a deal

More than 600 days after the October 7, 2023, Hamas massacre, Israeli soldiers are once again ramping up an operation that, the country’s leaders say, is the key to finally winning the war.

In the meantime, hostages remain in Gaza, it is still unclear what exactly will lead to Hamas’s defeat, and Israel’s standing in the world continues to slip.

We don’t know what will happen next — whether more hostages will be released, when the war will come to an end, what the promised total victory will constitute, and what Israel’s relationships abroad will look like in the aftermath.

Still, there are core insights into the war and its wider context that can help understand where the campaign stands now, and where it should head in the future.

Israel is facing a barbaric enemy, which had the better part of two decades to prepare for a war in which it put its own people in harm’s way by design.
Israel’s war aims are just and reasonable.

But 20 months after October 7, Israel has achieved none of its goals.
It has performed countless impressive feats on the battlefield and even on the diplomatic front.

Without the right leader and strategy, however, those successes don’t add up to victory.
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U2 Bono: Israel, be released from Benjamin Netanyahu

Victory is still attainable. The longer Israel continues to avoid being decisive, the more likely it is that victory will slip out of reach.
1. Israel’s war against Hezbollah has been a runaway success…
2. …whereas the Gaza campaign has been a halting muddle
3. Israel needs a ‘day after’ vision
4. Operation Gideon’s Chariots is, so far, no drastic change
5. Israel thinks it has all the time in the world….
6. …and has made victory harder to achieve through a lack of military and political discipline
7. Hamas is playing to survive
8. This government has been very successful in getting hostages released
9. Israelis must ask clearly: How much to give up for 20 hostages?
10. A new language and moral equation has emerged in the current hostage crisis

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The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
2. …whereas the Gaza campaign has been a halting muddle

At the tactical level, the IDF has performed impressively in Gaza.
It can reach anywhere it wants in the Strip, easily rolled up Hamas defenses early in the war, and has adapted to the complex challenges presented on a battlefield prepared by Hamas for 17 years.

It has also killed all of Hamas’s top leadership in Gaza, and the vast majority of its battlefield commanders.

Yet Hamas fights on. And it remains the only force in the Strip able to assert control over the population:
Nearly 20 months after it perpetrated the worst slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust, Hamas is still not defeated.

Israel has not been clear about how exactly tactical success leads to the strategic goal of defeating Hamas. Is it through taking territory?
Israel seemed to think so early in the war, boasting about the areas it had captured — Gaza City, the Netzarim Corridor, the Philadelphi Corridor, the Rafah Border Crossing.

But there is no one particular piece of territory that Hamas needs to hold onto in order to outlast Israel. Almost anywhere will do.
Perhaps the killing of Hamas fighters is the key to victory?

Then-IDF chief of staff Herzi Halevi said in April 2024 "this is the way to eventually pressure for the release of the hostages,”
“Another battalion dismantled, another commander killed, another infrastructure destroyed"

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The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
2. …whereas the Gaza campaign has been a halting muddle

Israel has certainly taken tens of thousands of Hamas gunmen off the battlefield, severely eroding Hamas’s effectiveness.
Yet there are still thousands left, more than enough to reassert control and start rebuilding if Israel withdraws.

Another theory of victory sees Hamas’s leadership as its center of gravity. The IDF has killed Yahya and Mohammed Sinwar, Mohamed Deif, Marwan Issa, and almost all brigade and battalion commanders. But the group has not given up or splintered into rival factions.

Israel hasn’t managed to get the population to overthrow Hamas either. There have been occasional protests, which are either put down by Hamas or dissipate.

Israel plays up these demonstrations, but it hasn’t provided an incentive for Gazans to turn against Hamas with the promise of a rapid improvement in conditions.

It has tried to get the population to turn against Hamas by limiting humanitarian aid — but that has failed, and eroded support for the war among Israel’s allies.
It seems to be quietly arming Gazan criminal clans as well.

Now Israel is pursuing the idea that offering humanitarian aid is the key to victory — provide it, but keep it out of Hamas hands, and the terrorists lose their funding and control of the population.

The new Gaza Humanitarian Fund GHF is designed to test that proposition. Its rollout has been bloody and chaotic, but Hamas’s opposition to it, is a good sign.
It will have to be expanded, made safer, and supported by other countries and aid organizations in order to permanently weaken Hamas’s hold over Gazans.

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Originally Posted by Trojan
-- if history has taught us anything -- associating with terrorists never end well for Israel
You see -- all these people are terrorists, their loyalty is based on that "Destruction of Israel"

It is naïve to think they won't end up turning against Israel “Netanyahu has learned little since October 7.” indeed.

Also Day 608 message is IDF losing the war — can't fight / defeat Hamas on their own that they have to 'recruit' criminal gangs to fight Hamas
IDF winning battles losing war crazy Hamas Sill standing Still firing Still calling the shots mad

What Hamas did October 7, 2023 made history -- history. It's never been done before. Not in 77 years.

No terrorist even Hezbollah, Iran's proxies “Axis of Evil” would have dreamed that such a thing could be possible — breaching Israel's 'impenetrable' Fort Knox 'invulnerable' deterrence, security and terrorists running amok for hours / days. Where was IDF? IDFail

Hamas brought Israel to its knees October 7 Day 609 Israel still on its knees

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I trust Shin Bet though they want the best for Israel.to defeat Hamas in Gaza you need local allies in return they must also give the Gazans some kind of peace and aid.
crazy Whose fault Israeli communities murdered and hostages taken? sick

Shin Bet asleep at the wheel despite numerous Red Flags and Warnings by Border spotters dismissed as 'James Bond' fancy fantasy mad

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Originally Posted by Capri
Originally Posted by Hollander
I trust Shin Bet though they want the best for Israel.to defeat Hamas in Gaza you need local allies in return they must also give the Gazans some kind of peace and aid.
crazy Whose fault Israeli communities murdered and hostages taken? sick

Shin Bet asleep at the wheel despite numerous Red Flags and Warnings by Border spotters dismissed as 'James Bond' fancy fantasy mad


True October 7 will hunt them forever but their overall record in the history of Israel is not bad !
They admitted in March they failled.



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Shin Bet grilling of Gazan detainee led IDF to hostages, defense official says
5 June 2025, 10:22 am

The overnight operation that recovered the bodies of slain hostages Gadi Haggai and Judih Weinstein was enabled by intelligence obtained during a Shin Bet interrogation of a Palestinian terror operative who was detained in Gaza, an Israeli defense official tells The Times of Israel.

“The intelligence that is obtained in Shin Bet interrogations is valuable and important, and helps the ground operation and missions like the one carried out overnight,” the official says.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Like I said not a fan of the politician Netanyahu but Wilders has been a long time friend of his. Wilders love for Israel and the Netherlands is sincere. You also dont turn your back on a friend in a time of WAR.

I wish Trump would do more, needs to — Constructive, Decisive, Effective, Practical ACTION not symbolic like ICC sanctions.
former US president Joe Biden visited Israel Trump unnecessary snub

Day 608 No doubt Israel needs supporters like Geert Wilders especially with 'allies' turning their back on a 'friend' in a time of multi-fronted WAR.
Worse and hand-cuffing Israel. However Wilders is not in power...


Very undemocratic ! Wilders should have been the PM he should have never agreed with anything less. The other parties and the bureaucrats sabotaged the PVV at all fronts ! But October 29 it is D-Day he will get the votes if he again has a strong campaign.


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Iran is working to rebuild weakened militias
Iran has been working for years on a network of allied militias in the region, also known as the 'Axis of Resistance'. This group includes Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. These militias have been hit hard by Israeli attacks. With the fall of the Assad regime in Syria, Iran has also lost an important ally. By importing new equipment from China, Iran hopes to rebuild its own arsenal and at the same time provide friendly militias with new weapons.

Iran recently ordered thousands of tons of rocket fuel from China. The fuel is ammonium perchlorate, a chemical essential for powering ballistic missiles, several anonymous sources told The Wall Street Journal. The first shipments are expected to arrive in Iran within months and could be enough to build hundreds of missiles.

Some of this material is unlikely to remain in Iran. According to sources, some of the material is expected to be sent to militias in the Middle East that have ties to Iran.


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France has one the biggest Jewish communties, Macron has to be careful.
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France: will decide in the following days whether to take harsher measures against Israel, President Emmanuel Macron said Thursday.

From: Al Jazeera June 5, 2025
French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said France is “determined” to recognise a Palestinian state, but stopped short of saying the move will happen at an upcoming UN conference co-hosted by France and Saudi Arabia.

From: Haaretz June 6, 2025
Man attacks rabbi in Paris with chair

A rabbi was wounded in an attack in a Paris suburb on Friday, the public prosecutor's office in the Nanterre department reported.
According to the prosecutor's office, a man struck the rabbi in the head with a chair while he was sitting on a café terrace. The suspect is in police custody.

According to Le Parisien, the 28-year-old man was born in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip and had a temporary residence permit for Germany.
He was reportedly unarmed and was carrying a copy of the Quran.

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EU chiefs condemn US sanctions on World Court

The European Union's top officials on Friday condemned US sanctions against four judges of the International Criminal Court.

"The ICC holds perpetrators of the world's gravest crimes to account," European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen wrote on X, adding that the court "gives victims a voice."

The court "must be free to act without pressure," she continued. "We will always stand for global justice [and] the respect of international law."

The ICC "must remain free from pressure and true to its principles," wrote EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas.
she added: "We will always support its vital work and protect its independence,"

Kallas' spokeswoman said that the impact of the sanctions would be monitored and possible reactions are being assessed.

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I wish Trump would do more, needs to — Constructive, Decisive, Effective, Practical ACTION not symbolic like ICC sanctions.
former US president Joe Biden visited Israel Trump unnecessary snub
Oops! perhaps not symbolic then... But still need ACTION

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From: The Times of Israel June 5, 2025
Sudan burns, Syria bleeds – but campus rage fixates on Israel

There are enough tyrannical regimes and humanitarian crises in the world to keep college students busy, but foreign funding is turning them against Israel instead.

Sudan: While civil wars have displaced over 10 million in Sudan — where mass rape, ethnic cleansing, and child slavery have returned to Darfur — Western students chant that Israel is the world’s greatest evil.

Syria: Not Assad’s Syria, where over 500,000 people — many of them children — have been killed by barrel bombs, chemical weapons, and torture chambers, and 13 million have been forced into exile.

Yemen: Not Yemen, where an Iranian-backed civil war has led to mass starvation, the use of child soldiers, and what the UN calls the worst humanitarian crisis on Earth.

Russia: Not Russia, whose invasion of Ukraine has razed entire cities, abducted thousands of children, executed civilians en masse, and turned Europe’s breadbasket into a graveyard.

Iran: Not Iran, where women are brutalized for removing hijabs, dissidents are disappeared or hanged from cranes, and terror is exported globally through Hezbollah and Hamas.

China: Not China, where over a million Uyghur Muslims are locked in concentration camps, forcibly sterilized, indoctrinated, and put to work in factories feeding the global supply chain.

Qatar: Not Qatar, the oil-rich kingdom that hosts Hamas leadership in five-star hotels while funding Al Jazeera radical campus centers at top American universities, and lavish diplomatic charm offensives across the West.

No According to the protests, teach-ins, and occupation encampments dotting elite campuses, it is Israel — the region’s only democracy, with Arab lawmakers, LGBTQ rights, and an independent judiciary — that must be dismantled.

This isn’t just hypocrisy. It’s indoctrination.

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And it’s not happening in secret.

It’s playing out in lecture halls, student unions, and administrative offices under the banners of “liberation” and “decolonization” funded by authoritarian regimes eager to rewrite the Western mind. These regimes aren’t just exporting oil they’re exporting ideology.

And American universities — and Worldwide too — have become ground zero. That radicalism has now moved from rhetoric to bloodshed.

It is no longer theoretical. It is real, not isolated events:
1. the political assassinations in D.C.,
2. the firebombing in Boulder,
3. and the eruption of violent antisemitism from campuses to Congress

They are the direct results of years of moral inversion, intellectual cowardice, and foreign-funded ideological grooming. We must wake up.

Universities must disentangle from foreign influence, enforce true intellectual diversity, and protect every student’s right to safety — including Jewish students.
Donors must demand transparency. Lawmakers must require disclosure. Faculty and students must rediscover courage.

Silence is not neutrality. It is complicity.
If we care about truth, human rights, or democracy, we must start acting like it before the chants of “resistance” lead to more funerals.

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From: The Times of Israel June 6, 2025
Israeli Navy gears up to block Greta Thunberg’s high-profile protest ship headed for Gaza

Freedom Flotilla’s Madleen, sailing under UK flag, set to reach Israeli territorial waters in coming days; clashes with activists would likely spark uproar.

The Israeli Navy is expected to block a high-profile activist mission sailing to Gaza to challenge Israel’s blockade, should the boat near Israel’s territorial waters in the coming days.

Clashes aboard the Madleen, which was organized by the "pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel Freedom Flotilla Coalition" would likely spark diplomatic outrage
crazy Publicity stunt rolleyes with France and Britain reportedly monitoring the situation.

London has so far rejected Israeli requests to prevent the boat, flying under a UK flag, from reaching Israeli waters, an official in Jerusalem told The Times

“They can act,” said the official, “but they say they only will if there is a safety risk.”
The UK asked Israel to ensure the safety of boat and its crew, said the official, calling the mission “the selfie flotilla.”

if the boat continues to Gaza, it will be intercepted by the Navy, the officials said. At its current pace, the Madleen would likely reach the Strip sometime over the weekend. The boat may be towed to the Ashdod port or left at sea, the Kan public broadcaster reported earlier this week.

Responding to a query, the IDF said it was “enforcing the maritime security blockade on the Gaza Strip, and is prepared and ready for a wide range of scenarios that it will handle in accordance with the political echelon’s guidelines.”

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“the selfie flotilla.” Madleen

A French diplomat was quoted by Channel 12 Thursday night as saying that:
“France is closely monitoring this boat due to the presence of six French citizens on board.

France is prepared to offer aid to our citizens who are on board if necessary.”
The diplomat refused to say what would make such intervention necessary, the report said.

A British official cited by Channel 12 said the United Kingdom was also monitoring the situation, and, according to the outlet, implied that the British government was initially unaware that the Madleen was sailing under the UK flag.

The network reported that Israeli sources had said Jerusalem had requested that Britain forbid the ship to fly the UK flag, but Britain refused to do so, citing British sailing regulations. The British government reportedly asked Israel to vouch for the safety of the Madleen and its passengers.

Both the French and British governments have recently sharpened their tone against Israel’s renewed operations in Gaza and the humanitarian situation there.

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Also Day 608 message is IDF losing the war—can't fight / defeat Hamas on their own that they have to 'recruit' criminal gangs to fight Hamas
IDF winning battles losing war crazy Hamas Sill standing Still firing Still calling the shots mad

What Hamas did October 7, 2023 made history -- history. It's never been done before. Not in 77 years.

No terrorist even Hezbollah, Iran's proxies “Axis of Evil” would have dreamed that such a thing could be possible — breaching Israel's 'impenetrable' Fort Knox 'invulnerable' deterrence, security and terrorists running amok for hours / days. Where was IDF? IDFail

Hamas brought Israel to its knees October 7 Day 609 Israel still on its knees
Unfortunately you are right

All the Israel's horses and All the Israel's 'mighty and powerful' Military power and highly trained personnel: Mossad, Shin Bet:
1. couldn't eradicate this decades ongoing terror Axis of evil
2. couldn't put Israel together again


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Interesting NOBODY stood by the Israelites during WWII.
Sad, Shameful History Repeats Itself

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According to Arabic media reports, an unnamed Arab country is involved in training the militia. Mahmoud al-Habash, advisor to Mahmoud Abbas, maintains direct contact with Abu Shabab, whose family was reportedly murdered by Hamas in 2006.



Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman holds tremendous leverage given both US and Israeli desires for a Saudi-Israeli deal. I believe ther are covert contacts about Gaza and Palestine as a whole between the three countries.


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Morocco already signed a deal with Israel before October 7 is also involved !
In foreign policy, Mohammed continued in the moderate tradition established by his father, who was held to be a moderating influence among Arab nations and in relations between the Arab world and the West.[12] He strengthened Morocco's ties with key global players, including the United States, the European Union, and China, and prioritized relations with African countries and international recognition of Morocco's claim to the territory of Western Sahara. During his rule, Morocco became the sixth Arab League country to normalize ties with Israel under the Abraham Accords.
A member of the Alawi dynasty, he acceded to the throne on 23 July 1999, upon the death of his father, King Hassan II.


Rabat – Mahmoud Al-Habash, Chief Judge and Adviser on Religious Affairs and Islamic Relations to the President of Palestine, praised King Mohammed VI’s leadership as President of the Al-Quds Committee in supporting the Palestinian cause.

The special envoy highlighted that the discussions focused on “the central issue that concerns the Arab and Islamic nation today, and is of great importance to the Moroccan people and the Kingdom of Morocco, with His Majesty King Mohammed VI, who considers this issue his national priority.”

Al-Habash further emphasized that King Mohammed VI “works to support the cause of Al-Quds al-Sharif, whether religiously, politically, or humanely,” recalling that the Moroccan monarch presides over the Al-Quds Committee, which implements humanitarian aid programs in Jerusalem and throughout Palestinian territories.

The advisor to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas also addressed the current situation in Palestine. “We discussed the latest developments in Palestine in light of the ongoing Israeli aggression, as well as the Arab and international efforts being made to resolve this situation based on international legitimacy and law,” he stated.

According to the advisor, these efforts”aim to achieve a just and comprehensive peace, where all countries and peoples of the region can live in security, peace, and stability.”

Al-Habash concluded by emphasizing that President Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian people “are proud of His Majesty the King and his positions, as well as the fraternal relations between the Kingdom of Morocco and the State of Palestine, and between the Moroccan and Palestinian peoples.”

He added: “We are confident that these fraternal relations will continue to grow stronger (…) to serve the Palestinian cause and broader Arab issues.”

Held on March 5 in Cairo, the Extraordinary Arab Summit reaffirmed the crucial role of the Al-Quds Committee, chaired by King Mohammed VI, and the Bayt Mal Al-Quds Asharif Agency, the committee’s executive arm.

This affirmation was included in the Cairo Declaration, which concluded the summit that focused on the reconstruction of Gaza and the need to further support the Palestinian cause.

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