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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Hollander] #1124415
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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025

We’ve seen this before. In every prior round of fighting —
1. Operation Cast Lead (December 27, 2008 – January 18, 2009)
2. Operation Pillar of Defense (November 14–21, 2012)
3. Operation Protective Edge (July 8 – August 26, 2014)
4. and Operation Guardian of the Walls (May 10–21, 2021)

Hamas used international pressure for ceasefires not to lay down arms, but to regroup, rearm, and dig deeper into Gaza’s civilian infrastructure.

Each ceasefire became a strategic pause, not a step toward peace. October 7 was the result.
rolleyes Whose fault Israeli communities murdered and hostages taken? mad
Originally Posted by Capri
Failure of policies set by the Netanyahu political leadership and Shin Bet asleep at the wheel despite numerous Red Flags and Warnings by Border spotters IDF colossal failures when October 7 happened utterly unprepared.

Now, with the war approaching a decisive phase and the IDF dismantling the core of Hamas’s operational capacity, the terror group is betting once again that international pressure will save it.

That hostages and humanitarian suffering — deliberately prolonged and manipulated by Hamas — will force Israel to back down.
This is not a miscalculation on Hamas’s part. It is their only hope.

Even if Hamas returned every hostage tomorrow but remained the de facto armed leadership in Gaza, it would not change the strategic calculus.
In fact, it would mark a Hamas victory.

The group would have proven that taking civilians — children, elderly, women, and foreign nationals — can yield tangible political results — that the international community will pressure a democratic state to halt a war of self-defense in exchange for hostages who should never have been taken.

That leverage can be gained not through negotiation, but through atrocity.
No nation can allow hostage-taking to become an accepted currency of warfare. To do so would invite it everywhere.

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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025
The idea that a genocidal terror group can survive a war it started by choice, from a position of unprovoked aggression, is a dangerous precedent.

Hamas’s survival will be celebrated by its backers — from Tehran to Beirut to Doha — as a modern miracle:
a militant group that faced the full force of a nation-state and lived.

This is the symbolic power Hamas craves.
It would send a clear signal to Hezbollah, the Houthis, Iranian proxies across the region, and radical groups worldwide: terrorism works.

Most dangerously, it would affirm to the Islamic regime in Iran that its decades-long strategy of proxy warfare against Israel — its so-called “ring of fire” — is working — that all it needs to do is keep going. crazy Hamas will prepare for the next war.

If Hamas survives,
1. it will not rebuild Gaza. It will rebuild tunnels.
2. It will not return hostages. It will capture more.
3. And it will not seek peace. It will prepare for the next war.

This is not speculation. This is what they say. This is what they’ve always done.

War is always tragic. But some wars are necessary.
The just purpose of war is not vengeance — it is justice, deterrence, and the restoration of peace. smile

But peace is not possible with an armed, fanatical regime in Gaza that seeks Israel's / your destruction and views the murder of civilians as a divine duty.
Wars of self-defense must end with unmistakable clarity.

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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025
Germany in 1918 was defeated militarily, but the war ended with ambiguity.

The Allies allowed the German army to retreat intact. The result was the “stab-in-the-back” myth that fueled Nazism and led to an even more catastrophic war.
In 1945 the Allies made no such mistake. Nazi Germany was not just defeated — it was destroyed as a governing entity. So was Imperial Japan.

And just as importantly, the German and Japanese populations came to see and accept that their regimes had been defeated.
Both societies underwent years of disarmament, reconciliation, and comprehensive deradicalization.

Only then could Europe and the Pacific begin to rebuild in peace. Israel faces the same choice today.

Ending this war without defeating Hamas means condemning Israelis — and Palestinians — to unending conflict.cry
It means October 7 becomes not a cautionary tale, but a case study in successful terrorism, lawfare, hostage taking, and wars of aggression. mad

Israel is currently achieving real, measurable success in its military campaign.
Operation Gideon’s Chariot has transitioned from massed maneuvers to coordinated clear-and-hold operations across Gaza.

The IDF has successfully seized and is now holding terrain in areas once dominated by Hamas battalions.

Elite Israeli units — undermining the terror group’s ability to wage war — continue to dismantle
1. Hamas’s underground networks,
2. rocket infrastructure,
3. weapons production sites,
4. and command centers

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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025
In parallel, Israel has established a new humanitarian mechanism — the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation — to deliver food, water, and medicine directly to civilians without going through Hamas. clap

This is critical. For years, Hamas maintained power not only through fear and force but also by monopolizing aid distribution and punishing dissent. That monopoly is now being broken.

For the first time in nearly two decades, signs of civilian defiance are emerging: Gazans
1. protesting Hamas’s theft,
2. rejecting their authority,
3. and calling them out publicly.

But let no one be mistaken — this is still a war, not a counter-insurgency. Hamas remains the de facto ruling power of Gaza. It still
1. commands fighters,
2. holds hostages,
3. and exerts control over large swaths of the population.

No one who has studied war — real war — should have expected that a terror regime that spent decades militarizing every inch of Gaza and radicalizing generations of civilians could be dismantled easily or quickly.

Those calling for an immediate ceasefire
1. either do not understand war,
2. or do not want Hamas to lose.

This war must end not with a ceasefire, but with a clear and irreversible outcome: the defeat of Hamas as a military and governing power. grin

If the international community truly wants peace, it should focus not on saving Hamas, but on how it is first removed from power, disarmed, and dismantled — so that the long process of deradicalization and reconciliation can begin.

This was the path taken after World War II, when defeating the regimes that started the war was recognized as the necessary precondition for lasting peace.

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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025
Israel cannot be the only party planning for what comes after Hamas.
The international community must stop pretending Hamas can be part of the solution. crazy

It must become part of the solution itself: by supporting measures that accelerate Hamas’s defeat, such as the movement of civilians out of Hamas’s grasp, not refusing to participate in a humanitarian plan that delivers aid directly to the people — Hamas has long exploited.

The hypocrisy must stop. The reality must be accepted: peace will never come while Hamas remains intact.

There is no future in which Gaza flourishes while Hamas remains in power.
There is no future in which Israelis or Palestinians are safe if October 7, hostage taking, lawfare, and human shielding are seen as a path to political leverage.

We would live in a very different world if the Allies had not pursued victory in 1945.
We will live in a dark and dangerous world if Hamas is allowed to claim one now.

Let it be clear — to Hamas and to the world — that they lost this war. Anything less guarantees a future of endless violence.cry

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Originally Posted by Trojan
I, hope the Israeli Navy 'sorts them out!'

From: Anadolu Agency Ankara, Türkiye June 2, 2025
Israel plans to block vessel seeking to break Gaza siege
Navy braces for arrival of Gaza Flotilla sailboat Madleen, which sailed from Sicily

Israel said Monday that it is planning to block a ship carrying international activists sailing toward the Gaza Strip to break the Israeli siege on the enclave amid a worsening humanitarian crisis due to Israel’s genocidal war.

Israel’s Army Radio said the navy is preparing for the arrival of the Gaza Flotilla sailboat Madleen which left Sicily on its way to the Gaza Strip in an attempt to “break the naval blockade.”

The ship is carrying a 12-person crew, including Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg and Irish actor Liam Cunningham.

In a brief response to a request for comment, the Israeli military said:
“it is enforcing the security maritime closure on Gaza and is preparing for a variety of scenarios,” without elaborating further.

On Monday, the Freedom Flotilla Coalition (FFC) said in a statement that it “launched the Madleen, a civilian ship now sailing toward Gaza carrying humanitarian aid and international human rights defenders in direct defiance of Israel’s illegal and genocidal blockade.”

On board are volunteers from several countries, including French-Palestinian member of the European Parliament Rima Hassan and Greta Thunberg, it added.

The ship, part of the FFC, is carrying urgently needed supplies for the people of Gaza, including baby formula, flour, rice, diapers, women’s sanitary products, water desalination kits, medical supplies, crutches and children’s prosthetics.

The statement emphasized that “this is a peaceful act of civil resistance. All volunteers and crew aboard Madleen are trained in non-violence.”

Wow! They need to be trained in non-violence — Says it all

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From: Anadolu Agency Ankara, Türkiye June 2, 2025
Speaking before the ship’s departure, Thunberg described the trip as a “symbolic civilian mission” aimed at breaking the siege.
“If there is even a shred of humanity left, we must fight for Palestine. I am here because it’s a duty,” she said.

The ship is expected to reach Gaza’s coastline in roughly a week, although it faces a high risk of interception by Israeli forces in international waters.

The voyage follows a similar attempt by the FFC in early May, when the coalition’s vessel Conscience was attacked by Israeli drones in international waters. That strike caused a fire and tore a hole in the ship’s hull, according to flotilla sources.

The Gaza Media Office has accused Israel of using starvation as a tool to displace 2.4 million Palestinians in the enclave. According to the office, Israel has blocked humanitarian aid, especially food, by closing all border crossings since March 2.

Israel, rejecting international calls for a ceasefire, has pursued a devastating offensive in Gaza since October 2023 killing nearly 54,500 Palestinians, most of them women and children. — according to the Hamas-controlled local authorities

Aid agencies have warned about the risk of famine among the enclave's more than 2 million inhabitants.

Last November, the International Criminal Court issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza.

Israel also faces a genocide case at the International Court of Justice for its war crimes against civilians in the enclave.

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From: The Times of Israel June 2, 2025
Israel punches back at UN chief for demanding probe into Gaza aid site shooting.

Israel calls a demand from United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres for an investigation into reported violence at a Gaza aid site a “disgrace.”

Israel's Foreign Ministry called a statement on X by UN Secretary-General António Guterres, in which he said he was "appalled by the reports of Palestinians killed and injured while seeking aid in Gaza," a "disgrace" for failing to condemn Hamas.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Oren Marmorstein writes on X:
1. “Even if you look very hard, there’s one word you won’t find in the Secretary-General’s statement: Hamas,”
2. “Not a word about the fact that Hamas is the one shooting civilians and trying to prevent them from collecting aid packages.”
3. “Not a word about the fact that Hamas — as stated by US Special Envoy Witkoff — rejected yet another ceasefire proposal and the release of the hostages.”

Guterres said on Monday he was “appalled” by reports that Palestinians were killed the previous day on their way to a Gaza Humanitarian Fund GHF distribution site for aid, that the UN must be allowed to provide aid to Gazans, and said that there is no military solution to the conflict in Gaza.

Multiple 'witnesses' and Hamas authorities in the Strip said at least 31 Palestinians were killed and dozens were wounded early Sunday by Israeli fire as they were on their way to a Gaza Humanitarian Fund distribution site in the southern Gaza Strip.

The Israel Defense Forces said it didn’t shoot Gazans at or near the distribution site, but an Israeli military official acknowledged that troops did fire warning shots overnight around a kilometer away from the aid site.

Israel and the United States say they helped establish the new aid system to circumvent Hamas, which they accuse of siphoning off assistance.
UN agencies have refused to work with the system, which they say violates humanitarian principles.
Originally Posted by Trojan
Sour grapes:
UNRWA and International aid organizations, who have been against the GHF set up from the beginning have again condemned the new GHF aid distribution model being enforced in Gaza, labelling it as a "death trap"

Marmorstein says that:
“the real investigation that needs to be opened is why the UN continues to resist any attempt to provide aid directly to the people of Gaza.”

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From: US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, US Embassy Jerusalem June 2, 2025
False: misleading, exaggerated, and utterly fabricated

Reckless and irresponsible reporting by major US news outlets are contributing to the antisemitic climate that has resulted in the murder of two young people at an Israeli Embassy event in Washington last month and the attempted murder and terror attack on a group of pro-Israel demonstrators in Colorado on Sunday.

Without verification of any source other than Hamas and its collaborators The New York Times, CNN, and Associated Press reported that a number of people seeking to receive humanitarian food boxes from the Gaza Humanitarian Fund were shot or killed by the Israeli Defense Forces. These reports were FALSE.

Drone video and first-hand accounts clearly showed that there were no injuries, no fatalities, no shooting, no chaos.
It is Hamas that continues to terrorize and intimidate those who seek food aid.

The only source for these misleading, exaggerated, and utterly fabricated stories came from Hamas sources, which are designed to fan the flames of antisemitic hate that is arguably contributing to violence against Jews in the United States.

Media sources who willingly parrot these libelous allegations should recant their fake news stories, apologize, and pledge to practice actual reporting of fact instead of engaging in dangerous propaganda that assists the terror group Hamas as they continue to hold innocent hostages for over 600 days after butchering over 1,200 people on October 7.

The efforts of GHF have resulted in over 5 million meals to civilians without incident.
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The Jerusalem Post June 1, 2025
In parallel, Israel has established a new humanitarian mechanism — the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation — to deliver food, water, and medicine directly to civilians without going through Hamas. clap

For The New York Times, Associated Press, and CNN to be part of a Hamas-fed false narrative is reprehensible.
It represents more than mere sloppy journalism. It’s feeding and inciting violence against innocent people in the United States.

We are demanding an immediate retraction of the lies and are appealing to all media sources to act with objective professionalism to cover actual events instead of being a partner of terrorism by blindly following Hamas news releases.

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From: The Jerusalem Post June 2, 2025

School in Lyon set on fire, sprayed with antisemitic and pro-Palestine graffiti
1. "In Paris, synagogues and the Shoah Memorial: desecrated.
2. In Lyon: a school set on fire and defaced with swastikas."

A primary school in Lyon, France, was set on fire and daubed with antisemitic and pro-Palestine slogans and swastikas, the local prefecture reported on Sunday.

The graffiti was found in three classrooms in the Nové-Josserand school, but the fire only affected the outdoor toilets.

Mohamed Chihi, deputy for tranquility, safety, and security at Lyon City Hall, said:
"Antisemitic graffiti, swastikas, attempted arson: these acts target our school, and therefore our Republic.

Investigation opened into the antisemitic incident. Chihi added that an investigation had been opened to determine the incentive behind the attack, given that the school had no established connections to the Jewish community.

So if it had "established connections to the Jewish community" 'incentive' justified?

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Yonathan Arfi, the head of the Representative Council of Jewish Institutions of France (CRIF) wrote on X that:
1. "The Palestinian cause is used as justification for burning down a school"
2. and the "Nazification of Israel serves as fuel for crass antisemitism."

CRIF Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes "condemned this hateful attack in the strongest possible terms" and connected it to the vandalism of three synagogues, a restaurant, and the Shoah memorial in Paris on Friday:
1. "In Paris, synagogues and the Shoah Memorial: desecrated
2. In Lyon: a school set on fire and defaced with swastikas."
3. "This is not one 'tag too many,' nor an isolated act. It is a signal. A passage to action.
4. Those who dream of a France without Jews are now setting fire to schools."

Thomas Rudigoz, a former MP and metropolitan councilor, said:
1. "Just steps from the Montluc prison memorial, a Lyon school has been targeted by swastikas, anti-Semitic graffiti, and a fire.
2. Hatred is reborn where memory should protect.
3. Shame on those who stir up hatred."

Carole Delga, the President of the Occitane region, said:
1. "From Paris to Lyon, our Republic is once again ravaged by hatred.
2. Shame on those who minimize these facts and fuel this climate."

Shame on you Mr. Macron
Originally Posted by Trojan
Yet... That anti-Israel 'ally' Macron is rewarding the terrorists while antisemitism rages in his own backyard — Go figure

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From: Haaretz June 2, 2025
DHS secretary: 'There is NO room in the United States for the rest of the world's terrorist sympathizers'

US Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said:
"Anyone who thinks they can come to America and hide behind the First Amendment to advocate for antisemitic violence and terrorism — think again.

You are not welcome here. We will find you, deport you, and prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law."

FBI calls incident in Boulder, Colorado a ‘targeted terror attack’; footage shows man screaming ‘End Zionists’ at scene;
comes less than 2 weeks after killings of Israeli embassy staff in D.C.

The attacks come after a series of thwarted terror attempts against Jewish and Israeli targets around the US in the past year.

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U.S. President Donald Trump said the attack in Boulder, Colorado, "WILL NOT BE TOLERATED" in a post on Truth Social.

Trump said the suspect was currently in the country after overstaying a tourist visa and that the incident was "yet another example of why we must keep our borders secure and deport illegal, anti-American radicals from our homeland."

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Watan LLC Arab American news media corporation June 2, 2025
Arab League Chief Ahmed Aboul Gheit Defends Ties with Israel Amid Gaza War, Sparking Outrage

Gheit’s controversial remarks backing Arab normalization with Israel draw fierce backlash as Gaza bleeds and public anger mounts across the Arab world.

As Israel’s devastating war on Gaza rages on and popular anger intensifies across the Arab world in rejection of normalization, Arab League Secretary-General Ahmed Aboul Gheit has chosen a path that diverges sharply from the prevailing public sentiment.

In controversial statements, Gheit defended Arab states that maintain relations with Israel, arguing that severing ties “is not a wise decision” at this moment.

He justified his stance by claiming that official channels with Israel are necessary to facilitate mediation efforts and a potential ceasefire — despite growing perception across Arab streets that normalization serves as a political cover for the ongoing massacres in Gaza, where thousands of civilians, mostly women and children — according to Hamas-controlled sources — have been killed over the past seven months.

His comments come amid mounting grassroots pressure on Arab governments — particularly those that signed the Abraham Accords, such as the UAE and Bahrain, along with Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco
1. to take meaningful action against Israeli aggression
2. or at least freeze political and military cooperation with Tel Aviv.

How about "meaningful action" against Hamas terror rolleyes
1. “hostages back,
2. Hamas out”
3. Aid flows in

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Watan LLC Arab American news media corporation June 2, 2025
Aboul Gheit Under Fire as Arab League Faces Accusations of Betrayal and Cowardice

Aboul Gheit emphasized that “peace requires dialogue,” but his statement ignored the feelings of millions who view normalization as a betrayal of the Palestinian cause and a relinquishment of Palestinians’ historic rights.

Activists and analysts, meanwhile, condemned Aboul Gheit’s remarks as complete submission to international pressures and a whitewashing of disgraceful positions taken by certain Arab regimes — positions that come at the expense of innocent blood.

The criticism extended far beyond media and social platforms.

Prominent intellectuals and former diplomats have called for Aboul Gheit’s dismissal, arguing that the Arab League has devolved into a platform for justifying political cowardice rather than defending Arab rights.

In this fractured reality, one question looms large:
1. Do Arabs still have a unified stance?
2. Or is Gaza left to face both aggression and betrayal — alone?

Originally Posted by Kangaroo Don
1. Then again, haven't seen any of the 50odd Muslim countries offering refuge and taking in any Palestinians -- wonder why!
2. They all shut their borders real quick and keep them shut

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Israel National News June 2, 2025
U.S. Senator mocks Gaza flotilla: 'Hope Greta and her friends can swim!' Hope not lol
Senator Lindsey Graham ridicules activist voyage aimed at challenging Israeli blockade of Hamas-ruled Gaza.

Senator Lindsey Graham (Republican-South Carolina) issued a caustic remark directed at Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg and her fellow campaigners aboard a vessel attempting to breach Israel's naval blockade of Gaza. crazy Publicity stunt rolleyes

The South Carolina senator quipped, referring to the Freedom Flotilla vessel Madleen, which departed the Sicilian port of Catania on Sunday
"Hope Greta and her friends can swim!"

The ship is carrying Thunberg and 11 other activists as part of a mission to "break Israel's siege" of Gaza, according to organizers cited by The Associated Press.

The activists, including "Game of Thrones" actor Liam Cunningham and French MEP Rima Hassan, are aiming to deliver aid and draw international attention to what they describe as a humanitarian crisis in the Hamas-controlled enclave.

Hassan has previously been barred from entering Israel due to her anti-Israel activism.

Before departure, Thunberg claimed the mission was a stand against what she termed the "live-streamed genocide" in Gaza. "We have to keep trying.

Because the moment we stop trying is when we lose our humanity," she told reporters. "And no matter how dangerous this mission is, it's not even near as dangerous as the silence of the entire world." uhwhat Then why the October 7 silence confused

The voyage comes weeks after another Freedom Flotilla vessel, the "Conscience," was reportedly damaged by drones in international waters off Malta.
The group accused Israel of being behind the attack. rolleyes
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What's new? Always scapegoating Israel — Exhaustingly Tiresome and Fanning the Flames of antisemitism

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Israel National News June 2, 2025
The attempt also echoes the 2010 "Freedom Flotilla" incident, when the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara was intercepted by Israeli forces after refusing to dock at Ashdod Port.

Israeli soldiers who boarded the ship were attacked with clubs and knives by the Islamists on boardcryprompting a violent clash that left 10 of the activists dead. A subsequent inspection revealed that no humanitarian aid was found aboard the ship.

Thunberg — Small potatoes lol Get a job! — has intensified her criticism of Israel since the October 7, 2023, Hamas massacre that ignited the current conflict.
Despite that event, she has repeatedly voiced support for Gaza and participated in anti-Israel demonstrations, sick including a January rally in Leipzig where she called to "crush Zionism." mad

Her controversial stance drew public backlash during a November 2023 rally in Amsterdam when a protester interrupted her speech, expressing frustration over what he described as political posturing at a climate event.

The current voyage is expected to take seven days, barring any interception. wink That's the key for them But --
whistle if anything in this life is certain -- if history has taught us anything -- it's that you can sink any ship. Gotta get "Freedom Flotilla" smile

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Al Jazeera June 3, 2025
Freedom Flotilla on its way to Gaza as critics call for ship to sink grin

Critics, including U.S. officials, are calling for the Freedom Flotilla Coalition’s new mission to fail, with twelve volunteers, including Swedish activist Greta Thunberg on board. The flotilla is trying to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza. crazy Publicity stunt rolleyes

upcoming Global March to Gaza — an international initiative also open to doctors, lawyers and members of the media — which is set to leave Egypt and reach the Rafah crossing in mid-June to stage a protest there, calling on Israel to stop the Gaza offensive and reopen the border.

sick Not a word about mad
1. October 7 Hamas' brutal invasion and massacre, evil barbarism and brutal terror, monstrous, violent Guerilla warfare
2. terror groups still holding 58 hostages, dozens of whom are already dead. Yet --
3. terror charter — still unchanged — calls for the annihilation of Israel

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Again Israel could end Gaza war ‘tomorrow’ if Hamas frees hostages, exits Strip. Take note
She is a climate activist! too lol I'd like to know where does 12 people human waste go? confused Dumped in the ocean polluting frown

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