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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Many people in Israel and the West thought with elections HAMAS would become more moderate and tolerant huge mistake. Those countries in the Middle East don't know our democracies Palestine like the others will never be a Democracy. How George W. Bush Helped Hamas Come to Power In Bush’s naïveté about the magic of elections, he ignored a crucial point about democracy. https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ge-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.html
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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It is sad if it comes to santions againt Israel like Russia, but they have to stop the madness going on or become a pariah in the world. There has to be a smarter way to defeat HAMAS, but Netanyahuwith all the corruption cases and his impopularity want the war to continue. Elections would be better in Israel !
lnternational • May 20, 6:c50 PM • Modified on May 20, 10:15 PM Support for Dutch proposal for EU investigation into Israel Author : BNR Web Editors There is sufficient support for the request of Minister Caspar Veldkamp (Foreign Affairs) for an EU investigation into violations of humanitarian law by Israel. EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas has decided to carry out the investigation, Minister Veldkamp said after the meeting of EU foreign ministers. 'This is a very important and strong signal.'
According to Veldkamp, ??Europe is sending a 'very clear signal that we are serious. We are really very concerned about the humanitarian situation in Gaza'. In addition, the EU's message to Israel is that it 'must now stop the military action and completely lift the humanitarian blockade', Veldkamp said.
Read also 'Threat of sanctions against Israel from France is mainly symbolic' The European Commission will now conduct an analysis of the human rights situation in Israel based on the human rights clause included in the association agreement between the EU and the country. Some countries believe that Israel is violating this clause and that the agreement should therefore be terminated.
Seventeen countries The EU's foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, said before the meeting that she did not know how the vote would go. According to European correspondent Michal van der Toorn, that is often a bad omen. Minister Veldkamp was more confident, he dared to say this afternoon that there was broad support among EU member states. In the end, seventeen EU member states supported Veldkamp's request, nine did not.
According to Veldkamp, ??exerting pressure on Israel from Europe is certainly an effective means. 'The more we as Europe act together and express our concerns about the humanitarian situation and the intensified Israeli war effort, the better,' the minister said before the council.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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It is sad if it comes to santions againt Israel like Russia, but they have to stop the madness going on or become a pariah in the world. There has to be a smarter way to defeat HAMAS Don't know... Day 592 No doubt “We all must end this war before this war ends Israel." but how? If sanctions against Israel like Russia — Israel already Global pariah on the world stage Final straw indeed I reckon, Trump's pointed snub He was in the region Why the pointed unnecessary snub which has opened the flood gates even more to pile-on Israel Hamas is: 1. laughing all the way to their terror tunnels 2. basking that their terrorist actions is being rewarded 3. sitting at the negotiating table as an equal Thanks! with allies like this... Terrorism and Hostage taking is why this “madness going on” It is Hamas riding roughshod over Israel and allies too, exactly what Hamas' planned and wanted Success right into their hands Allies You do know, this war began because of: 1. Hamas’s terror actions inside Israel on October 7, 2023 2. and they could have ended it, at any point by releasing the hostages and surrendering -- even now 3. Hostage-taking is prohibited under international humanitarian law, constitutes a grave breach, a war crime and crimes against humanity 4. Geneva Convention prohibits the taking of hostages and are internationally unlawful acts 5. Nuremberg Principles adopted by the International Law Commission states that “killing of hostages” is a war crime
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: The Jerusalem Post May 20, 2025 Israel agrees to Witkoff deal but Hamas rebuffs proposal Israeli officials said that there were no indications that Hamas would shift its position in ceasefire and hostage deal negotiations. Hamas is refusing to agree to a deal based on the Witkoff proposal, despite Israel's agreement to the deal, the Prime Minister's Office said in a statement on Tuesday evening. "Israel agrees to the American proposal for the return of the hostages, which is based on the Witkoff framework," the statement read. "This proposal was recently conveyed to Hamas through the mediators, but so far it continues to cling to its refusal." The statement confirmed that senior-level negotiators will return to Israel, while a working team will remain in Doha. The Jerusalem Post reported that the remaining team in Doha is staying to show that Israel is still willing to make efforts to reach a deal. However, Israeli officials have repeatedly stated that no progress has been made in the negotiations and that there is no indication that Hamas is shifting its position. Terrorists still calling the shots 
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hostage talks are at a deadlock, Qatari PM says Qatari Prime Minister Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani said that the talks had reached a deadlock The Media Line reported. “One side seeks a comprehensive agreement for Gaza, while the other insists on a partial deal. We have not been able to bridge the gap,” Al-Thani said, citing irreconcilable differences. He blamed Israel’s “irresponsible and aggressive behavior” for undermining negotiations, referencing the Israeli military’s expanded campaign in Gaza following the release of hostage Edan Alexander. Never mind Hamas' “irresponsible, aggressive and murderous behavior” Al-Thani added that Qatar remained committed to negotiations between the two parties. “We are determined, alongside our partners, 1. to stop the war, 2. secure the release of hostages 3. and end the suffering of Gaza’s civilians,” Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar: Israel could end Gaza war ‘tomorrow’ if Hamas frees hostages, exits Strip. In a statement, the Hostage and Missing Families Forum said that it did not believe the government had any plans to bring home the hostages. “No spin will hide the simple truth – the Israeli government has no real plan to bring back the last hostage," it said. "The majority of the public supports the return of all the hostages, even at the cost of halting the fighting. "Only the return of all of them at once will allow for a process of rehabilitation and recovery for the country and the army. Hamas will not be defeated without bringing back the last hostage. "Until then, there will be no victory – not even the semblance of one."
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: The Times of Israel May 20, 2025 Trump ‘frustrated’ with Gaza war, wants Israel to ‘wrap it up’ Administration officials cited, saying US president pushed Netanyahu to reopen aid crossings after he was ‘upset’ by images of suffering children in Gaza. US President Donald Trump is “frustrated” by the ongoing war in Gaza, feels it is the last issue preventing prosperity in the Middle East and wants the Israeli government to “wrap it up,” according to a Tuesday report citing White House officials.  So do we — Difficult and Impossible — considering U.S. couldn't wrap-up Houthis even with No hostages at that  U.S.-terrorists Houthis ceasefire Ah that's great -- that's beautiful -- some deal Trump made... U.S. capitulated a White House official said, according to the report: “The president is frustrated about what is happening in Gaza. He wants: 1. the war to end, 2. the hostages to come home, 3. aid to go in 4. and to start rebuilding Gaza,” “The president sees a real chance for peace and prosperity in the region, but the war in Gaza is the last hot spot and he wants it to end,” the official added.
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